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Topic: New 1.5 Combo 1st Turn Win! Must see Shadowmoor!
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cvety
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posted April 24, 2008 12:55 PM
        
Well i've known about this combo for 3 days now, i've already picked it up, so I guess i can leak it out a bit.
MOTL - Grindstone 1.66
Apathyhouse.com - Grindstone 1.60
Ebay Grindstone 22hrs left - 27.00*****Grindstone
Set Tempest
Cost 1
Color Artifact
Card Type Artifact
Rarity R
Card Text
3, T: Put the top two cards of target player’s library into that player’s graveyard. If both cards share at least one color, repeat this process. Flavor Text
“Memory is a burden that wears at the soul as weather wears at stone.”—Crovax
Artist Greg Simanson Painter's Servant
Set Shadowmoor
Cost 2
Color Artifact
Card Type Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
P / T 1 / 3
Rarity R
Card Text
As Painter's Servant comes into play, choose a color. All cards that aren't in play, spells, and permanents are the chosen color in addition to their other colors. Here is the deck played using this combo that I came a across for the 1st time
Magic-league.com
http://www.magic-league.com/tournament/info.php?id=41959&view=decks&page=2 Played by: KerZia | Record: 1-1-0
Main Deck Sideboard
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Ponder
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Grindstone
4 Dark Confidant
4 Painter's Servant
1 Badlands
4 Swamp
3 Island
4 City of Brass
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta 4 Disenchant
3 Meddling Mage
4 Duress
4 Back to Basics
There are many decklist that can utilize this combo more efficently, I do not agree with the decklist above I think that the combo should either:
A) Be converted to the Phrexian Dreadnought / Stifle combo
B) Replace Goblin Charbelcher
The reason for this post if for someone to break this deck. Please post deck list on how you think the combo has a better chance of success. Andrew Phyrexian Stifle
Played by: roodabagel | Record: 5-1-0
Main Deck Sideboard
2 Island
3 Polluted Delta
4 Island
3 Flooded Strand
3 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Volcanic Island
4 Phyrexian Dreadnought
4 Trinket Mage
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Stifle
3 Counterbalance
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Pithing Needle
4 Standstill
3 Spell Snare
2 Trickbind
1 Engineered Explosives
SB
1 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Echoing Truth
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Annul
3 Blue Elemental Blast Belcher
Untitled Deck
Played by: Adrian_657 | Record: 4-1-0
Main Deck Sideboard
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
3 Street Wraith
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Tinder Wall
4 Rite of Flame
4 Dark Ritual
3 Empty the Warrens
4 Desperate Ritual
4 Seething Song
4 Lotus Petal
4 Burning Wish
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Land Grant
4 Chrome Mox
4 Goblin Charbelcher
SB
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Duress
1 Gamble
1 Channel the Suns
4 Tormod's Crypt
1 Unmask
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Cave-In
4 Pyroblast
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Pringlesman
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posted April 24, 2008 01:49 PM
When looking at this deck, you have to compare it to belcher, since they work so similarly and have the same goal. Lets compare the two CombosGrindstone
6 mana to play and activate
more stable mana base
2 card win combo
Will win if you get the two parts out
Opponent has a turn (Upkeep) to still win afterwards. Burn can do it if you went off 3-4th turn.
Creature can get nuked in responce to grindstone activation. Belcher
7 mana to play and activate
Unstable land base, but has enough artifact mana to negate.
1 card win combo
Can fizzile while comboing out.
If works, wins that turn. I'm still holding judgment, but I think in belcher vs current incarnation of this deck, belcher is the better one. But I don't know if when the deck gets tinkered with if that will change. Too bad Painter's Servant cost 2, if it cost 1 Trinket mage would be savagely good in this deck. I really dont like Enlightened tutor in this deck, it messes with your mana base (I'm assuming the badland is suppose to be scrubland), and it slows you down. Maybe indernal tutor or Spoils of the Vault to take a page out of belchers deck?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Pringlesman on April 24, 2008]
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GenghisTom
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posted April 24, 2008 05:44 PM
I think fabricate works better than enlightened tutor though it costs more. city of traitors and ancient tomb help the combo go off quicker. if opponent has but one of serra avatar, darksteel colossus, legacy weapon type card in their deck wouldn't this trigger an unlimited loop and therefor cause a draw? Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Animosity
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posted April 24, 2008 07:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GenghisTom:
I think fabricate works better than enlightened tutor though it costs more. city of traitors and ancient tomb help the combo go off quicker. if opponent has but one of serra avatar, darksteel colossus, legacy weapon type card in their deck wouldn't this trigger an unlimited loop and therefor cause a draw? Correct me if I'm wrong here.
No it wouldn't you would need 2 of those cards . Grindstone only repeats when it mills 2 of the same color . Grindstone will end when there is no cards left then the collosus goes back . It just gives them an extra turn . Now blessing on the other hand bones ya .
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coasterdude84
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posted April 24, 2008 07:16 PM
Agreed on the city of traitors and ancient tomb. Also, Leyline of the Void will take card of the recursion problem.I like the Belcher approach better. Use some tutors to dig up the grindstone, but use only 3 Painter's Servants, and stick 4 Living Wishes in to pull the 4th out of your board. I think I'd start with something like this: Creatures - 7:
3x Painter's Servant
4x Street Wraith Spells - 39:
4x Grindstone
4x Dark Ritual
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Lotus Petal
4x Chrome Mox
4x Brainstorm
4x Living Wish
3x Plunge into Darkness
4x Land Grant
2x Cunning Wish
2x Fabricate Land - 14:
2x Tropical Island
1x Bayou
1x Underground Sea
3x Polluted Delta
3x Ancient Tomb
3x City of Traitors Sideboard - 15:
1x Painter's Servant
1x Pact of Negation
4x Leyline of the Void
1x Intuition
1x Meddling Mage
4x Duress
1x Naturalize
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Plunge Into Darkness Probably not ideal, but I think you get the idea. Do everything you can to find the missing combo pieces, but probably can go off in the first couple of turns with the right draws. Duress and LoV are your only real boarding cards, the rest is toolbox stuff for the wishes. -Scott
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GenghisTom
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posted April 25, 2008 03:26 AM
I like that list, now all that has to be done is playtest
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grandpoohbah19
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posted April 30, 2008 05:09 PM
run pact of negation so you can stop stp, fow and other 1.5 staples
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keo
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posted May 02, 2008 06:03 PM
Obviously the strength of this combo is not its quickness but the option to play it in a control deck. Don't forget the red blasts ;-)
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Our_Benefactors
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posted May 02, 2008 06:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Johnathondrearmz:
Could this Combo be build around a Workshop Engine "VINTAGE"?
Please drop the quotes and caps lock. Just say "... workshop engine in vintage?" What you do with the caps + quotes doesn't make any grammatical sense. In other news, grindstones are $15.
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Our_Benefactors
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posted May 04, 2008 10:34 AM
Here, I'll "ANSWER YOUR QUESTION@"No, this deck would suck in vintage. Yes, you could build it with workshop, but it would be bad.
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Johnathondrearmz
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posted May 05, 2008 12:58 PM
Rest my Case "Little Man"Team ICBM
Scarecrow 1 Library of Alexandria
4 Polluted Delta
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Tolarian Academy
5 Moxen
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Pyroblast
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Gifts Ungiven
4 Painter's Servant
2 Grindstone
1 Echoing Truth
1 Tinker
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Demonic Consultation SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Rack and Ruin
1 Trickbind
3 Thoughtseize
2 Pyroclasm
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