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Author	Topic: Ripper: Milutin Kecojevic, odeonsky@yahoo.com
Tim Steurs Member	posted September 22, 2001 05:34 AM We had a deal. We used to send our cards simulary, but I have never seen my cards. I send him an e-mail, but he did never respond. He is definitely a ripper Evidence of trade: Van: Milutin Kecojevic <odeonsky@yahoo.com> Aan: Tim Steurs <Devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> Onderwerp: Re: Force of Will Datum: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) hi Tim Coat of Arms is mint and from 7ed you force is mint? what does it means (EX)? sim is ok. my adress: Vladimir Obradovic Molerova 43 11000 Beograd Yugoslavia pls mail me tnx Vlada --- Tim Steurs <Devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, My Force of Will against your Coat to Arms seems perfect for me, if the Coat of Arms is at least NM. From which edition is the Coat to Arms? My adress: Tim Steurs Kleinbemden 11 2490 Balen BELGIUM Can you give your adress too? Please protect well your cards (the best thing you can do is using toploaders). I can send you the card tomorrow. I hope simular sending is OK for you. Greez, Tim Van: Milutin Kecojevic <odeonsky@yahoo.com> Aan: Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> Onderwerp: Re: Force of Will Datum: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:35:11 -0700 (PDT) ok Tim dill is ok with me mail me when you can sent force you have addres if you dont: Obradovic Vladimir Molerova 43 11000 Beograd Yugoslavia tnx and bye Vlada --- Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Mulutin, The Force of Will isn't mint, but excellent. If you don't know what this means, check it on http://www.grading.cjb.net . Let me know if that's OK for you. Greez, Tim Van: Milutin Kecojevic <odeonsky@yahoo.com> Aan: Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> Onderwerp: Re: Force of Will Datum: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:06:42 -0700 (PDT) hi Tim i send you card 10 aug i didnt get your card yet but a hope so pls mail me when you get my card tnx and bye VLada --- Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Vladimir, Do you have already recieved the Force of Will? I'm still waiting for the coat of Arms, but I have seen nothing yet. When did you send the letter? Greez, Tim Aan : odeonsky@yahoo.com Cc : Bcc : Onderwerp : Our MOTL trade Bijlagen : Hulpprogramma'sRich-Text Editor AAN Bericht kopiëren naar map Verzonden e-mail Hi Milutin, I have waited 6 weeks for your cards, but I never have seen them. I don't think they will arrive because normally the post always deliver within 6 weeks in Europe . Our trade was: my 1 Force of Will (EX) against your 1 Coat to Arms It's possible that something went wrong at the post. Can you e-mail me to work something out? Thanks, Tim Van: Milutin Kecojevic <odeonsky@yahoo.com> Aan: Tim Steurs <Devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> Onderwerp: Re: Force of Will Datum: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) hi Tim Coat of Arms is mint and from 7ed you force is mint? what does it means (EX)? sim is ok. my adress: Vladimir Obradovic Molerova 43 11000 Beograd Yugoslavia pls mail me tnx Vlada --- Tim Steurs <Devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi, My Force of Will against your Coat to Arms seems perfect for me, if the Coat of Arms is at least NM. From which edition is the Coat to Arms? My adress: Tim Steurs Kleinbemden 11 2490 Balen BELGIUM Can you give your adress too? Please protect well your cards (the best thing you can do is using toploaders). I can send you the card tomorrow. I hope simular sending is OK for you. Greez, Tim ok Tim dill is ok with me mail me when you can sent force you have addres if you dont: Obradovic Vladimir Molerova 43 11000 Beograd Yugoslavia tnx and bye Vlada --- Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Mulutin, The Force of Will isn't mint, but excellent. If you don't know what this means, check it on http://www.grading.cjb.net . Let me know if that's OK for you. Greez, Tim Van: Milutin Kecojevic <odeonsky@yahoo.com> Aan: Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> Onderwerp: Re: Force of Will Datum: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:06:42 -0700 (PDT) hi Tim i send you card 10 aug i didnt get your card yet but a hope so pls mail me when you get my card tnx and bye VLada --- Tim Steurs <devliegendekotpoeet@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Vladimir, Do you have already recieved the Force of Will? I'm still waiting for the coat of Arms, but I have seen nothing yet. When did you send the letter? Greez, Tim Aan : odeonsky@yahoo.com Cc : Bcc : Onderwerp : Our MOTL trade Bijlagen : Hulpprogramma'sRich-Text Editor AAN Bericht kopiëren naar map Verzonden e-mail Hi Milutin, I have waited 6 weeks for your cards, but I never have seen them. I don't think they will arrive because normally the post always deliver within 6 weeks in Europe . Our trade was: my 1 Force of Will (EX) against your 1 Coat to Arms It's possible that something went wrong at the post. Can you e-mail me to work something out? Thanks, Tim
raistlin Member	posted September 28, 2001 04:21 PM I have emailed him. I`ll let you know if I hear anything from him. Also, keep me updated if you hear from him
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 02, 2002 12:13 AM hmmm ure kidding me right??? I also traded with this guy aprox a month ago (( OH MAN NOOOOOOO !!!! ill get the evidence __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 02, 2002 12:15 AM evidence ok... i'd like to trade and i don't want to stall this anymore. so, my finall offer > my > 1X Coat of Arms (7th) > 4X Yavimaya Fires > 3X Tangles > 1X Shivan Oasis > 2X Opposition (UD) > for ur: > 1X Shivan Wurm > 1X Pernicious Deed > 1X Caves of Koilos > 1X Undermine some throw-ins of u'r choice (maybe counterspell, mother of runes.... bla bla bla) and if u take a look, i added another opposition, so deal is fair even if u look at motl prices... lmk and take care Milutin --- Benoît Bouchez <b_bouchez@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hiya, > > u replied on my h/w list (my inbox was spammed ) > : > > "hi there, > i tried to send u a mail but it returned (maybe u > should empty u'r mail box) > > anyway, this is copy of my mail. > > sorry for not responding sooner, but i couldn't. > i've found another opposition and i can add it, but > i think it would be fair > from u to add something too. > my > 1X Coat of Arms (7th) > 4X Yavimaya Fires > 3X Tangles > 1X Shivan Oasis > 2X Opposition (UD) > for ur: > 1X Shivan Wurm > 1X Pernicious Deed > 1X Caves of Koilos > 1X Undermine > + maybe another pain land or blured moongose > orsomething like that > > pls lmk what u think of this > take care > Milutin " > > hmmm I'm sorry, but I don't think it's a fair deal > if i add something else > ... The trade is already in your favor ... let alone > if I add another card > more ... > > LMK if u still wanna do the trade I offered u ... > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 02, 2002 12:22 AM why wasn't he banend in the first place??? I c this topic is old from september !! and still he has been able 2 trade with me via MOTL?!?!?!? Oh gosh I'm so ***ed of right now ( __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."*
Tim Steurs Member	posted April 02, 2002 01:16 AM I know how it feels to be ripped. This guy is a ripper, I've been telling it for months. The moderator asked me if this guy confirmed he recieved my cards. He never confirmed (that's the raison why he is a ripper), so the moderator couldn't bann him. I hope that motl will bann him this time! Best regards, Tim
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 02, 2002 04:10 AM AAARG HOW COULD MOTL LET THIS GUY UNBANNED??? this is totaly unacceptable! If the ripper had been banned I wouldn't have lost my undermine etc! I ... I ... jeez ... c'mon I don't understand why MOTL didn't do anything ! __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
inca911 Administrator	posted April 02, 2002 07:08 AM Hiya! A couple points: First of all, you should have searched this forum for that trader before trading with him. There is a reason we don't delete posts in here! Secondly, if someone cannot provide proof that their cards were received, there is nothing to tip the proverbial scales of justice one way or the other. It's just one person's word against another's and that doesn't resolve anything. One of the things MOTL does is to help educate traders about how to protect themselves and to identify Bad Traders and expel them from the membership. If people don't search the BTA and CBT forums for the most rudimentary information then they will experience problems. That said: Both parties have been emailed. Please inform me via email of a significant change in the status of this complaint. Thanks! __________________ Wanted--Finder's Fee Offered! ************************* 1. Prerelease Fungal Shambler without date stamp 2. CE/Beta Artist Proofs (esp. Timetwister, Stasis) 3. Certain Mint Summer Magic Rares (ask for list) 4. Other Rarities: Albinos, Garfield Birth Cards, Textless cards, etc [Edited 1 times, lastly by inca911 on April 02, 2002]
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 03, 2002 12:33 PM Hey inca ... looks like I got scared 2 quickly ... I got this mail today from Milutin: "( that happens when several bad things happen in same time. i was in hospital for a week or so + my comp wasn't working when i got out. my parents told me that u'r mail arrived about 6 day's ago so i don't think it's that big problem (i'm still so sorry... i don't pretend i'm god so i can ripp people). be sure u'll get u'r cards as i said. hoping u'll understand mess i've been in, best regards, Milutin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ I'll confirm this when I get the cards __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
inca911 Administrator	posted April 04, 2002 05:43 AM Slim: Please post here when you receive the cards. Make sure he knows: The sender must make sure the cards reach their destination. Only the sender can obtain delivery confirmation proof and insure the cards against loss or damage. Please resend your part of the deal, return the cards you received (if applicable), or make appropriate monetary restitution (you two can decide on which one of these options is best). If you do send anything via mail, make sure you use signature-required delivery confirmation and insure the cards so the cycle of lack of proof can end. With signature-required delivery confirmation, the recipient can then open the package in the presence of a postal employee and verify the contents with an impartial witness. If you send payment, make sure you use a check or money order that you can use as proof of payment. Paypal also gives you proof of payment. Please post or email when there is a significant change in the status of this post. __________________ Wanted--Finder's Fee Offered! ************************* 1. Prerelease Fungal Shambler without date stamp 2. CE/Beta Artist Proofs (esp. Timetwister, Stasis) 3. Certain Mint Summer Magic Rares (ask for list) 4. Other Rarities: Albinos, Garfield Birth Cards, Textless cards, etc
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 21, 2002 03:15 AM still haven't got anyhting from him I guess he lied 2 me and he never answered any of my mails (his last email was the 1 I posted in my previous post ) __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
inca911 Administrator	posted April 21, 2002 12:30 PM He has until April 28 to fix this problem. Failure to resolve this problem before the deadline means I will ban him, place him on the Confirmed Bad Trader list (checked by members of MOTL, GTO, and eBay), and you can pursue mail fraud charges. __________________ Wanted--Finder's Fee Offered! ************************* 1. Prerelease Fungal Shambler without date stamp 2. CE/Beta Artist Proofs (esp. Timetwister, Stasis) 3. Certain Mint Summer Magic Rares (ask for list) 4. Other Rarities: Albinos, Garfield Birth Cards, Textless cards, etc
FatBenSlim Member	posted April 30, 2002 01:34 PM didn't get any reply from him ... I mailed him alot but nothing BAN THE BASTARD plz __________________ "Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
inca911 Administrator	posted May 08, 2002 08:28 PM This person is now banned and his name, email and physical address are now on the Confirmed Bad Trader forum (checked by members of MOTL, GTO, and eBay). I suggest that everyone defrauded by this person file mail fraud charges and I wish you the best of luck in getting your cards back. __________________ Wanted--Finder's Fee Offered! ************************* 1. Prerelease Fungal Shambler without date stamp 2. CE/Beta Artist Proofs (esp. Timetwister, Stasis) 3. Certain Mint Summer Magic Rares (ask for list) 4. Other Rarities: Albinos, Garfield Birth Cards, Textless cards, etc

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