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Author Topic:   Ripper: John Thomson, Ben Kelley, timewalk@yahoo.com
clkedboa
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posted September 13, 2001 04:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for clkedboa Click Here to Email clkedboa Send a private message to clkedboa Click to send clkedboa an Instant MessageVisit clkedboa's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Ok this is VERY VERY VERY frustrating. This guy just ripped me off of my UL black lotus and many other cards...the trade was this:

MY

1 Black Lotus (Unlimited)
4 Force Of Will
3 Morphling
1 Absorb
2 Undermine
1 Mana Drain (italien)
3 Skizzik
1 Foil Tsabo's Decree
3 Foil Chimeric Idol

HIS

2 Beta Signed Birds Of Paradise
1 Foil Birds Of Paradise
1 LoA
1 Foil Absorb
1 Foil Urza's Rage
1 Foil Undermine

We did a simul send....we both "sent" via priority and delivery conformation (atleast he says he did). He hasen't replied to one of my emails since the 4th and he won't give me the tracking number of the package. Supposedly he is arizona for some tourny...and he has access to a computer but he hasen't returned my emails. I know for a fact that my package has arrived because i tracked it.

__________________
"aim: mknofx
email: mknofx@yahoo.com"


Evidence of trade:

Hey!
This is StarWolf..
You sure you havent gotten my cards??
I got to responed cause I have a computer at my moms
house.And I already worked out the bad trader thing
with that stupid finland guy. I think he got them but
just wants me to send more p9..O well..Well If you
dont get your cards in the next 2-3 Days then I'll
have to send something else..I can send another 1x
Foil Absorb
1x Foil Undermine
1x Foil Rage

For now..Once I get home will be in about 1 and a half
weeks..

I dont have any more foil BoP's

I'll get back to you ..I got to go to the tourney now

Bye
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi, i still haven't received his cards. also....if
he's in arizona how could he reply to his "Bad
trader
alert" today? it said he replied to it on september
5th at 12:45 2day. Please lmk


--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com> wrote:
hey once again I dont know I do know that He sent
your
cards Cause i saw him send it out. He sent with a
delivery confirmation also and his cards hasnt
shown
up yet.

--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi...one more thing. I know that my cards
arrived
there because i sent dilevery conformation and
it
was
confirmed that they got there!


Delivery Status


You entered 03006000000181761232

Your item arrived at the VISTA CA 92084
processing
facility at 7:44 am on September 3


So i'll let u know when your cards get here.
Also
its
kinda weird that u sent on wednesday and i
haven't
got
my cards but I sent on friday and you got yours.

--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey man! No prob I understand
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
hi....ok im having a slight problem in that
my
brother
was hospitalized yesterday to undergo is
kemo
therapy
for cancer....i haven't been able to get a
ride
to
the
post office. My mom said that she could give
me
a
ride
there 2morrow. I'm very sorry for the
inconviance.
I
will send the fastest way possible
(overnight)
so
that
my cards arrive b4 you leave. I am very
sorry
once
again, i hope you understand.

matt kurtin
--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I got 3 Signed Black Lotus..So know I have
7
Black
Lotus..Man I need to start sellign my
stuff
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
same with me and thank you too! i might
be
gettin
another lotus....if you're intersted.
This
one
is
signed...
--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey man..Cards are all ready and
packaged
up
Thanx for the trade
--- Mattius Kurtainius
<mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
so TOMMOROW you are sending.....

2 BETA SIGNED MINT BOPS
1 FOIL BOP
1 FOIL RAGE
1 FOIL ABSORB
1 FOIL UNDERMINE


--- Ben Kelley
<mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
K Sent Tommorow
--- Mattius Kurtainius
<mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
1. Yea i have like 20 bubble
envelopes
and
plenty
of
top loaders.
2.All cards are in nm/m
condition
(cept
lotus
its
en
Ex+ with very little whitening
maybe
nm
in
your
standards)
3. I don't think that the cards
have
been
played
in
decks.

also....this is a simulsend. we
both
send
the
cards
on
a specified date. I can most
likely
send
2morrow.
Please get back to me asap


--- Ben Kelley
<mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No I Dont have a Fax
machine..Never
really
considerd
to buy one..I do have a
printer
but
its
not
up
and
runnign as of now..Cause i
just
got
a
new
cmoputer..
And I dont do third party's
Cause
once
again
I
am
kinda in a rush to get the
cards
so
I
can
go
to
a
t1
tounrey..In the next e-mail
state
at
questions

1.I expect your cards to be
sent
in
a
Bubble
Package
with Top Holders to protect
Cards..Will

hey once again I dont know I do know that He sent your
cards Cause i saw him send it out. He sent with a
delivery confirmation also and his cards hasnt shown
up yet.

--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi...one more thing. I know that my cards arrived
there because i sent dilevery conformation and it
was
confirmed that they got there!


Delivery Status


You entered 03006000000181761232

Your item arrived at the VISTA CA 92084 processing
facility at 7:44 am on September 3


So i'll let u know when your cards get here. Also
its
kinda weird that u sent on wednesday and i haven't
got
my cards but I sent on friday and you got yours.

--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey man! No prob I understand
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi....ok im having a slight problem in that my
brother
was hospitalized yesterday to undergo is kemo
therapy
for cancer....i haven't been able to get a ride
to
the
post office. My mom said that she could give me
a
ride
there 2morrow. I'm very sorry for the
inconviance.
I
will send the fastest way possible (overnight)
so
that
my cards arrive b4 you leave. I am very sorry
once
again, i hope you understand.

matt kurtin
--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com> wrote:
I got 3 Signed Black Lotus..So know I have 7
Black
Lotus..Man I need to start sellign my stuff
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
same with me and thank you too! i might be
gettin
another lotus....if you're intersted. This
one
is
signed...
--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey man..Cards are all ready and packaged
up
Thanx for the trade
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
so TOMMOROW you are sending.....

2 BETA SIGNED MINT BOPS
1 FOIL BOP
1 FOIL RAGE
1 FOIL ABSORB
1 FOIL UNDERMINE


--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
K Sent Tommorow
--- Mattius Kurtainius
<mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
1. Yea i have like 20 bubble
envelopes
and
plenty
of
top loaders.
2.All cards are in nm/m condition
(cept
lotus
its
en
Ex+ with very little whitening maybe
nm
in
your
standards)
3. I don't think that the cards have
been
played
in
decks.

also....this is a simulsend. we both
send
the
cards
on
a specified date. I can most likely
send
2morrow.
Please get back to me asap


--- Ben Kelley
<mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No I Dont have a Fax
machine..Never
really
considerd
to buy one..I do have a printer
but
its
not
up
and
runnign as of now..Cause i just
got
a
new
cmoputer..
And I dont do third party's Cause
once
again
I
am
kinda in a rush to get the cards
so
I
can
go
to
a
t1
tounrey..In the next e-mail state
at
questions

1.I expect your cards to be sent
in
a
Bubble
Package
with Top Holders to protect
Cards..Will
you
be
sending
this way?
2.What Condition Are the cards
currently
in?
3.Have any of your cards been
played
in
decks?


All my cards I will be sending Are
Mint/Near
Mint..
I will be sending in a Bubble
Package
With
all
cards
In a Hard Back Case..Cards will be
sent
Express.After
I recive your cards I will send
The
very
next
Day..

Thanks for the Trade
Keep in Touch

StarWolf

this isnt john its his aunt right now..Hes in arizona
playin in some card tournament and visiting his mom.
I'll have him e-mail you once I get a hold of him
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com> wrote:
I still haven't received your cards...u sent u sent
wednesday...


--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lol No wonder..You just started school
yesterday..Well
here is the thing..Ive done 3 third party's and 2
of
them I never got my cards..So I dont do them
anymore..
And one of the main reasons Im Trying to Rush
this
trade is because Im playing Type 1 Stasis for a
Huge
tournament Up in Pheonix..So I need the cards
soon...I
feel the same way as you that third party is
easyier
but in my case Its not..So Im gonna prefer to
simual..Cuase the tounrey is in 2 week and a
half..In
the next e-mail send me your adress..And ill send
once
i get it...

John Thomson
1760 Olive Ave
Vista,California,92083

Im leaving to AZ in 5 days so im sure we can
finish
trade by then

Thanx for the trade!
StarWolf
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com> wrote:
hey! sorry it took me soo long (1 day?)...but i
do
go
to school...i'm a sophomore in highschool.
ANyways
yea
i'm cool with a simulsend..although i'd prefer a
third
party trade with a mod. The reason that i said i
had
more refs than u was because last time i checked
u
had
3! Sorry for the confusion. ANyways, i'd be glad
to
do
a third party, lemme know if thats ok with you.
A
moderator that i'd want to go thru would be
cliff2.
He
has over 220 refs....and i have completed
previous
trades with him and he is very honest. You will
just
have to pay him 2.50 and any shipping costs.
THanks
a
lot

Matt
--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well?? Are we gonna trade or are you gonna Not
e-mail
me anymore?? If you dont ill post you on the
bad
traders forum cause if you wouldnt e-mail me
it
shows
that your a ripper..Cause i notified you that
i
have
more refs than you..Get back to me

StarWolf
--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Ok, i'll do that. But i'm going to have to
ask
you
to
send first because i do have more refs than
you.
Please get back to me asap with your adress.
Mine
is

Matt Kurtin
276 Sea View Ave
Piedmont, Ca
94610

thanks

matt
--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Add..2 BoP's And i will do that..And no I
live
in
ARIZONA..Im visiting my dad this is where
my
account
is from..But if we trade You gonna have to
send
to
my
home in Arizona cause im leaving to go
back
there
in
about 2 days..


--- Mattius Kurtainius <mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Some of those cards are gone...sorry.
How
bout
this:

My:


1 Black Lotus (Unlimited)
4 Force Of Will
3 Morphling
1 Absorb
2 Undermine
1 Mana Drain (italien) My english are
no
longer
here.
3 Skizzik
1 Foil Tsabo's Decree
3 Foil Chimeric Idol

Your:

:2 Beta Signed Birds Of Paradise
1 Foil Birds Of Paradise
LoA
1 Foil Absorb
1 Foil Urza's Rage
1 Foil Undermine

DO YOU HAVE AIM? Also, you live in
california...i
could probably call you if u
wanted....if
so
just
gimme your phone number. Thanks


Matt




--- Ben Kelley <mtg_timewalk@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I just saw yuor list..Heres my new
Offer..
My:2 Beta Signed Birds Of Paradise
1 Foil Birds Of Paradise
4 Foil Shivan Wurm
1 Foil Absorb
1 Foil Urza's Rage
2 Foil Undermine
Maybe some other Small throw in..
Your:1 Black Lotus (Unlimited)
4 Force Of Will
1 Foil Meddling Mage
3 Morphling
1 Absorb
4 Undermine
1 Mana Drain (English)
3 Skizzik


--- Mattius Kurtainius
<mknofx@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey...that's a pretty good offer
BUT....i'm
gonna
need
a little more than that....maybe u
could
thro
in
some
good t2 and i could thro in those foils..

THIS IS PRETTY MUCH IT. THE EMAILS JUST SHOW THAT IT WAS A SIMULSEND AND THAT HE "CLAIMS" THAT HE'S SENT"

 
Higgins
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posted September 15, 2001 06:11 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Higgins Click Here to Email Higgins Send a private message to Higgins Click to send Higgins an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
He did the same exact thing to me -_- i have ins and dev comfirmation on him so its on file he signed for the cards and got them i say if he gets enough mail fraud put againest him they will do something -_-
 
clkedboa
Member
posted September 16, 2001 05:10 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for clkedboa Click Here to Email clkedboa Send a private message to clkedboa Click to send clkedboa an Instant MessageVisit clkedboa's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
hey...he sent me this email today

Hi.. K here's how it is..Im home now.. Just got home
> the other day..And I nver sent your cards..Cause i
> was
> gone before i could.. I told my mom to.. apperantly
> she didnt..Since this trade has gone to long and
> become to much confusion im gonna send your cards
> back
> on monday


I told him that this isn't acceptable and that i want the cards he owes me..can some mods get into this please

__________________
"aim: mknofx
email: mknofx@yahoo.com"

 
squizz
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posted September 24, 2001 09:52 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for squizz Click Here to Email squizz Send a private message to squizz Click to send squizz an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Higgins, please post your evidence of the trade.


I've emailed John, please lmk if you hear anything.

 
clkedboa
Member
posted September 25, 2001 04:58 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for clkedboa Click Here to Email clkedboa Send a private message to clkedboa Click to send clkedboa an Instant MessageVisit clkedboa's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
any word squizz?
 
squizz
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posted September 25, 2001 10:59 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for squizz Click Here to Email squizz Send a private message to squizz Click to send squizz an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well he emailed me back telling me he had mailed the cards and you and Higgins should be getting them any day. Please post back here if/when they arrive.
 
StarWolf
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posted September 28, 2001 10:46 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for StarWolf Click Here to Email StarWolf Send a private message to StarWolf Click to send StarWolf an Instant MessageVisit StarWolf's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Please remove me from the BTA.. Clk has e-mailed me notifying he has recived his cards.. And will not take me off the BTA cause he wants the cards I said i would trade with him..

__________________
-StarWolf-

 
squizz
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posted September 29, 2001 04:19 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for squizz Click Here to Email squizz Send a private message to squizz Click to send squizz an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Starwold I've emailed clkedboa to get confirmation that he's received your cards, as soon as I get a reply from him confirming that they were received I'll be able to close this thread.
 
Higgins
Member
posted September 29, 2001 08:32 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Higgins Click Here to Email Higgins Send a private message to Higgins Click to send Higgins an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
i have yet to get my cards =/ ill post when and if i do
 
squizz
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posted October 02, 2001 12:22 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for squizz Click Here to Email squizz Send a private message to squizz Click to send squizz an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Higgins I asked you a week ago to post your evidence of the trade, there is nothing I can do to help you unless you have evidence to substantiate your claim.

As for clkedboa he has received the cards that were returned to him, I'll be issuing John/Ben a karma deduction for failing to send as agreed and this thread will be closed.

 

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