Well, out of lack out of a better way to type this, I have been subject to bad trading.

To summurize this, I'll make a list:

1: We stablished a Simul-Send Deal: My 3 Scuta, 1 Utopia Tree for His 3 Static Orb and 4 Opposition.

2: About 2 weeks later(He lives in Canada) He e-mailed me and said he got my cards.

3: Two days later, he e-mails me and says he "supposedly" put the wrong addy on the cards, and the envolpe(with the cards) came back soaked with water with a big red stamp that said "Invalid Address." He claims he traded the Scutas. He offers to send me $15 US.

4: I say no way, and tell him I'd take no less then $20 for the inconvienance. I also offer in a later e-mail that he should order his part of the deal on the web for the $38.00 US it costs, and have it billed to him and sent to me.

5: He e-mails me with this:

i got an idea!!!! how about I try to get orbs and oppositions and send them
in a few weeks. i'd need time to try and get them. meanwhile, you can
send ref check and i'll make sure to give u good ratings and comments.

Look's like he's after "free" refs, eh?

Anyway, I send back an e-mail, but It'll be in the e-mail section. ^_^

Any help would be greatly...um...helpful. ^_^

^_^

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Originally posted by anthony:
Tsunami
..give the mods a few days..they don't live on MOTL...

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They should. :P

Anyway, Poc, It wasn't _MY_ fault you're cards get damaged in the mail. It's _YOUR_ fault you traded my Scutas before you got confrimation I got your cards...

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I'm getting really aggrivated at this guy...

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Regards,

For:
Library of Alexandria (nm/m)
Beta Demonic Tutor (ex+/nm)
Beta Sol Ring (ex+/nm)
Beta Dark Ritual (nm/m)
Beta Black Knight (nm/m)
Unl. Fork (nm/m)

We both agreed to this deal. And because he has more refs then I do, I sended the card first.

Evidence: (I have only post the e-mails that was relevant)

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:17:44 +0100
My address:
X. CHEN
HUNZEDAL 54
9531 GJ BORGER
THE NETHERLANDS
I've already packed the card so I think I can sent it out tomorrow. Thanx for the trade also!
I'll sent you an e-mail when I have sent out the card.
I'll sent the card very well packed with registered priority mail, I espect that you'll do the same when you sent out your cards.
-Xing

Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 19:23:45 +0100
So this will be the final trade:
My:
juzam djinn psa 8
Your:
Library of Alexandria (nm/m)
Beta Demonic Tutor (ex+/nm)
Beta Sol Ring (ex+/nm)
Beta Dark Ritual (nm/m)
Beta Black Knight (nm/m)
Unl. Fork (nm/m)

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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:24:46
I've set the cards aside for you. I haven't packaged them yet but I will as soon as I receive the djinn. I will also send out registered and I'll let you know when I receive. Once again, Thanx for the trade.

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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:29:31 +0100
I sent out the cards. You should receive it within two weeks. Let me know when you do!
Thanks,
Xing

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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:23:44
Thanx for letting me know. I have a question, would you be interested in a foil Birds of paradise (english, mint). LMK.

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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:32:46 +0100
Hi,
You said that you would set the cards aside for me. But I notice on your h/w-list that you still accepting offers for these cards (tutor).
Let me know what's up with this.

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:42:39 +0100
Hello? LMK what's going on. Your not trying to rip me are you?

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Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:09:08
Hi, sorry I haven't replied any sooner but the holidays and all that, plus
there's a big problem. First off, my list needs to be updated. Second off,
I haven't received the Djinn yet although I should've by now. Finally, I
will be sending the djinn back as soon as I get it. It seems that I
misplaced the envelope with your addy on it. I have your addy in MY INBOX
but all the cards seem to be misplaced incl. the demonic, sol ring and LoA
which were in the envelope set aside. I don't know if I misplaced it, which
I doubt, or someone punked it. Don't worry, I'll send the Djinn back
registered with bonus cards unless you wanna work out a different trade.
Just one more thing, If you happen to see someone's list that has the same
cards, from Windsor-Ontario, please notify me, that would do me a great
deal.

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Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:18:00 +0100
Well then just send the djinn back when you got it.
I feel very uncomfortable with this, I'll take you responsible if something
happens to the djinn.
And I also don't feel your story is very credible, if you don't want to make
the trade then just say so.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:44:21
I got a delivery notice yesterday and I picked up the package at the post office. I had to pay ten dollars, which was unexpected and I still don't know why. And there was nothing inside, just a toploader. ??????

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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:41:07 +0100
Well I see this is gonna be a problem. I sent an e-mail to one of the moderaters ask what to do. I'll let you know.
The problem here is know that I probably lost my juzam that has cost me more then $150, or you are just rippin me. I said in the beginning that I hold you responsible if something happens to the card. I know that it is the senders responsibility that the cards arives. But in this case you put me in an unnecessary risk to send you the card.
And you told me that there was only an toploader in the package. Well I'm pretty sure that I never used a toploader, Is there a possibility that maybe a person you know could have switch the card inside? And when you receive the package was it still well sealed? I taped it very well so you would have noticed something if it has been opened.
If I don't get the card back you have to pay for it!

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:06:28
What??? 150 for a djinn? That's a good one, I have an email from you valuing the djinn at 120 cash and 150 trade value. So I don't see the point of you lying to me. Either way, I don't have your card plus I'm not gonna pay for something I don't have.

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Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:02:08 +0100
Well if you don't believe me, I got the djinn from a motl moderator for, I can give you his e-mail if you don't believe me. Well I paid a little to much for it, but it surely cost me more then $150. So don't tell my I'm lying.
The one that is lying here that is you, if you can't admit that it is your fault then there is something wrong with you. I mean, tell me why I has to sent you that djinn? I don't get my cards either way. You let me sent me the card, and for what? just for fun?
I surely feel that you have to compensate me. And what was that with the toploader you find in the package? I'm pretty sure I haven't include one.
Well I'm gonno post this in the bad traders forum when I got time, let them deside who's right.

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So here is the question who is responsible.
Any help is appreciated

From: Namir Faraj
Email: mak11_@hotmail.com

Alright then, depending on the language and condition of your CoTHs, I'm
willing to include a wb BoP as well as the FBB BoP. I believe that was your
initial offer, right? LMK on that, I really need those CoTHs. THanx.

>From: Fred Gong <gxj75@yahoo.com>
>To: Namir Faraj <mak11_@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Call of the herd
>Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 02:06:17 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi,Thanks for your reply!But I can't accept your
>idea.I'm sorry.In my opinion the coth is top rare
>card!So I can't use 4 COTH only for 1 BOP,even FBB
>BOP!I'm sorry about that:-(
>
>
>Have fun^_^
>
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I'm now handling this post, so I have emailed him about the problem. Let's see where we end up. I forgot to include the mail fraud info in the first email I sent out so I will post it here as well:
1. What exactly is mail fraud?
The first important link is to the USPS postal inspectors website:
http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/
More specifically, here is the link to Title 18 of the USPS Postal Code regarding Mail Fraud, Swindles, and the use of a Fictitious name for mail delivery in cases of fraud:
http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/usc18/mailfr.htm

In synopsis, mail fraud is a felony offense and for every individual instance of fraud the ripper “shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both”. Remember that each individual letter that is stolen and each instance of ripping that occurs is considered a separate prosecutable felony offense! Once convicted of a felony, the felon will have to disclose their felony offense on all job applications throughout their life. Felons are also automatically barred from certain sensitive government and civil jobs that involve classified information and employer trust. In short, a felony lasts a lifetime.

It is also important to note that the Postal Code specifically references those using a false name to obtain delivery. If someone misrepresents their identity for the purpose of obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, they will be found guilty of mail fraud.

2. How do I file for mail fraud?
If you are indeed the victim of mail fraud, you have a couple of different options, all of which are extremely easy to use and not time-consuming at all:
You can call or visit your local post office to obtain help and to file the Mail Fraud Complaint Form.
You can find a postal inspector near you who can help more with your problem:
http://www.usps.com/ncsc/locators/find-is.html
You can use this link to an online Mail Fraud form and file your mail fraud complaint in a couple minutes!:
http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm
There is even a toll-free number that you can call to obtain help!
1-800-372-8347 Mail Fraud Hotline

Keep all evidence that you have regarding your complaint. Print out and include all unedited original emails, physical addresses, supposed names, lists of all items involved, names and contact information for any other people with similar problems, etc. All these things are vital to a successful prosecution and compensation for your loss. If you choose to file mail fraud using the online form, you will receive an automatic letter acknowledgement and your claim will then be processed. If you have all the information neatly organized and well presented, your claim will be processed faster. Similarly, if your loss is monetarily large or involves multiple parties, your claim will be prioritized accordingly.

First off, "xingchen" did not send anything just a package and a toploader. BTW, I signed the package and I had to pay $10 on top of that and I still don't know why. Well, the package took about a month to get here and I must admit that I did not want to trade after the first week for obvious reasons. So, he emailed me during the holidays and I replyed after and I apologized. Before that, he emails me this:

From: "xingchen" <xingchen@hetnet.nl>
To: "Namir Faraj" <mak11_@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: motl
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:32:46 +0100

Hi,
You said that you would set the cards aside for me. But I notice on your h/w-list that you still accepting offers for these cards (tutor).
Let me know what's up with this.

It's been over a week and this guy is already getting all suspecious and what not. This kinda made me think that this guy has a problem and not to mention, I had 2 Beta tutors at the time. However, I misplaced the envelope with the LoA and all the cards that were involved. So I had to call the trade off and I apologized to him and offered many other great cards but he only wanted my Recall and I said no to that. I told him that I'll send the Djinn back with bonus cards and then he emails me this:

From: "xingchen" <xingchen@hetnet.nl>
To: "Namir Faraj" <mak11_@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: motl
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:18:00 +0100

Well then just send the djinn back when you got it.
I feel very uncomfortable with this, I'll take you responsible if something
happens to the djinn.
And I also don't feel your story is very credible, if you don't want to make
the trade then just say so.

----- Original Message -----
From: Namir Faraj <mak11_@hotmail.com>
To: <xingchen@hetnet.nl>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: motl

I don't know if you got my last email but the recall is going only if I
get a Lotus in an offer. There are some new cards coming in like 1x finkel,
4x nundermine, 1x fbb BoP, and I have a foil COTH. It's no problem if we
can't work out a trade and I'll send the djinn back with bonus cards.

The second email is what I sent and the first one is what he replied with. He's already holding me responsible for the djinn and I haven't even received it yet and he knows it. He sent Priority mail and could've checked it to seek its status and location. Anyhow, I have no doubt that he planned this whole thing and wanted to pull a fast one.

Moving on to "Kave" and trying to prove my innocence. We were supposed to have a 3rd party trade with GoblinSnowman or something like that (MOTL moderator). And I really didn't want to but I was willing to do that. Later on, he changes his mind all of a sudden and he's the one willing to send first to me. BTW, he notified me that he's been ripped off before and this was no small trade. I felt that 3rd party trade was fare enough considering he's been ripped before but sending first meant I'm gonna get the cards much sooner so it was fine by me. But I think he SAW this post earlier and thought he can get some sort of revenge on the previous guy who ripped him and accuse me of ripping him off. Anyways, he emailed me this:

From : Gong <gxj75@yahoo.com>
To : Namir Faraj <mak11_@hotmail.com>
Subject : Re: Re: Call of the herd
Date : Wed, 6 Feb 2002 9:39:15 +0800

Hi,Namir

I agree with you!!!
No third party.Mail that mod pls and just tell him you cancle the deal:-)
I will send my cards first!
I hope we can establish a stable relationship between us!!!
If you need any other T2 top rare card,just tell me the number and name of that
card:-D
This is my address:

Gong Jian
xxxxxxxxx (I respect his privacy)
Xigang District
Dalian City
China 116013

BTW:Pls give your phone number and ICQ NO (If you had one).Thanks very much:-)

Have fun^_^

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The second email is what I sent and the first one is what he replied with. He's already holding me responsible for the djinn and I haven't even received it yet and he knows it. He sent Priority mail and could've checked it to seek its status and location. Anyhow, I have no doubt that he planned this whole thing and wanted to pull a fast one.

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I don't try to pull anything here. I know it is the senders responsibility that the cards will arive.
It is this e-mail that you send me that did it:

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:09:08
Hi, sorry I haven't replied any sooner but the holidays and all that, plus
there's a big problem. First off, my list needs to be updated. Second off,
I haven't received the Djinn yet although I should've by now. Finally, I
will be sending the djinn back as soon as I get it. It seems that I
misplaced the envelope with your addy on it. I have your addy in MY INBOX
but all the cards seem to be misplaced incl. the demonic, sol ring and LoA
which were in the envelope set aside. I don't know if I misplaced it, which
I doubt, or someone punked it. Don't worry, I'll send the Djinn back
registered with bonus cards unless you wanna work out a different trade.
Just one more thing, If you happen to see someone's list that has the same
cards, from Windsor-Ontario, please notify me, that would do me a great
deal.

Ok, i understand with the enforcers value goin up and sorry about the last trade (the crusaders), I honestly thought it was the enforcers we were dealing with. My addy is at the bottom, LMK when you send out and include your addy so I can set the cards aside for you. Thanx for the trade.

Namir Faraj
1362 Goyeau
Windsor, ON
N8X 3L1
Canada

>You Posted on my list
>my:
>3x nantuko shade
>4x undermine
>for:
>2x mystic enforcers
>4x adarkar wastes
>2x FOIL spectral lynx
>
>I would prefer to hold onto the enforcers (Trying to make the deck) But i Could do 4 Foil Lynx 4 Wastes for 3 Nantuko Shade 4 Undermine and Foil Counterspell LMK ( i took off the 2 Enforcers and Added 2 Lynxes so that would equal out value wise for the Foil Counter)
>
>Thanks
>
>Higgins

I have not received anything from him since that nor has he responded to my emails.