1. He deleted his post after i posted on it that he was a bad trader and people shouldn't trade with him.

2. My friend emailed him and offered on the cards he got from me(which he said he didn't get) and made a "false" deal w/ him.

3. I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM HIM. And the trade was confirmed back in early August. I am really mad.

4. I think this is pretty suspicious, and he won't even answer any of my emails.

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Rage_of_Urza have you heard from him yet? Did you receive my e-mail? LMK

his name/address are:

Justin Lang
5208 Caminito Aruba
San Diego, CA 92124
Please lmk when you send out so i can get your cards ready.

>From: Todd Renuard <moxdragon@yahoo.com>
>To: masterofringz@hotmail.com
>Subject: your motl offer
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Hey, you posted:
>
>My
>04-Undermine
>
>For your
>01-Guru Island
>01-Guru Plains
>lmk
>
>I'll do that trade, I'll send first since you have more refs, just
send me
>your addy and they'll be out in a day or two.
>
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From :
"Mike Breznay" <jojocards@hotmail.com>
To :
masterofringz@hotmail.com
CC :
jojocards@hotmail.com

Subject :
Re: MOTL / Big Fat Stu / Fire-Ice Coast Trade

Date :
Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:41:15 -0600

Hey, no worries on this end. It's totaly cool.

Mike

From: "Justin Lang" <masterofringz@hotmail.com>
To: jojocards@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: MOTL / Big Fat Stu / Fire-Ice Coast Trade
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 15:36:47 -0700

Sorry, I was just making sure so i could get an idea of when it was coming no biggy.

From: "Mike Breznay" <jojocards@hotmail.com>
To: masterofringz@hotmail.com
CC: jojocards@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: MOTL / Big Fat Stu / Fire-Ice Coast Trade
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 16:08:03 -0600

Justin,

Mmmm...thought I already e-mailed you that I had sent out? I could be mistaken, anyway I put it in the mail on August 30. It's on the way to you as we speak.
Any other ?'s LMK.

Mike

From: "Justin Lang" <masterofringz@hotmail.com>
To: jojocards@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: MOTL / Big Fat Stu / Fire-Ice Coast Trade
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:42:34 -0700

Please lmk when you send or if you have sent so i can get your cards ready.
thanks

From: "Mike Breznay" <jojocards@hotmail.com>
To: masterofringz@hotmail.com
CC: jojocards@hotmail.com
Subject: MOTL / Big Fat Stu / Fire-Ice Coast Trade
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:30:59 -0600

Hello,

My: FOIL Fire/Ice

for

Your: Yavimaya Coast

Look good?
I'll just send first,looked at refs. they look good.
I'll put it in a soft sleeve then into a hard sleeve. Can have it in the
mail first thing tomorrow, August 30.
Just need your address.

Mike

THIS IS THE FIRST E-MAIL I SENT HIM ASK ABOUT MY CARD.

From :
"Mike Breznay" <jojocards@hotmail.com>
To :
masterofringz@hotmail.com
CC :
jojocards@hotmail.com

Subject :
MOTL / Big Fat Stu / Foil Fire/Ice~Coast

Date :
Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:01:45 -0600


Justin,

Sorry to be bothering you like this, was just curious if that Foil Fire/Ice had shown up yet? I you get a minute shhot me a quick e-mail to confirm.
Thanks

Mike

SECOND E-MAIL

From :
"Mike Breznay" <jojocards@hotmail.com>
To :
masterofringz@hotmail.com
CC :
jojocards@hotmail.com

Subject :
MOTL / Trade / FOIL Fire/Ice~Coast

Date :
Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:42:26 -0600

Justin,

Once again I'm asking if you have received my card? This is the second e-mail. You have already been listed on the BTA as a Ripper by another trader. If you do not respond to this e-mail soon, I will have no choice but to list my evidence of trade on the BTA and soon after that file for mail fraud. Please, just contact me. I there has been a problem and you could not respond or send mail LMK.

Mike

THIRD E-MAIL

From :
"Mike Breznay" <jojocards@hotmail.com>
To :
masterofringz@hotmail.com
CC :
jojocards@hotmail.com

Subject :
MOTL / Trade / FOIL Fire/Ice~Coast

Date :
Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:15:44 -0600

Justin,

This is the last time I send this e-mail to you, please respond or I will take action.

Once again I'm asking if you have received my card? This is the second e-mail. You have already been listed on the BTA as a Ripper by another trader. If you do not respond to this e-mail soon, I will have no choice but to list my evidence of trade on the BTA and soon after that file for mail fraud. Please, just contact me. I there has been a problem and you could not respond or send mail LMK.

Mike

Firedrake as far as what we should do, I think we all should post our evidence, let the Mods take a look at it and finally if need be file for mail fraud.

On the other side this guy can always say he lost the mails as well.

This is to bad for you

I have no evidence cause it was all destroyed by a formatted hard drive the only evidence that I can give is the number of hate mails I am starting to give him, and the offer he made on my 2nd oldest MOTL post. I was ripped 4 foil pups and elf

I looked through his posting history, He was posting things in and out in one day (Aug. 31). He was offering birds and undermines up to 4 times in his postings, and offering ridiculus good cards for them.

I emailed him around 3 days ago and still no response, He's out of sight for about a few weeks (his last post was Sep. 8).

I say we should just start sending hate mail to him And Yes, I will start to take action like you guys.

Edit: I think I have some evidence...
Even though his h/w list was taken off, there is a cache page from a search engine:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:mCkFqseH7y8:www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/076119.html+MasterofRingz&hl=en

Well, i think the Moderators have done all they can. It really isn't their job to solve this for us. All of us that have some kind of evidence can file mail fraude I guess and I think that's about all we can do. I will try to keep you updated as I go throught his process.

From :
"Justin Lang" <masterofringz@hotmail.com>
Add masterofringz@hotmail.com to My Messenger Buddies.

To :
undermine_mtg@hotmail.com

Subject :
Re: trade

Date :
Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:43:58 -0700

Reply Reply All Forward Delete Put in Folder...InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash Can Printer Friendly Version

Please lmk when you send out or if you have sent so i can get your cards
ready.
thanks

From: "devongiles giles" <undermine_mtg@hotmail.com>
To: masterofringz@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: trade
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:26:51 -0400

That was the correct trade right?

Ill send first thing tomorrow jsut confirm the trade with me.

Oh my address is:

devon giles
11 hodgson street
port hope, ontario, canada
L1A 4G7

From: "Justin Lang" <masterofringz@hotmail.com>
To: undermine_mtg@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: trade
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:10:46 -0700

My address is
Kevin Lang
5208 Caminito Aruba
San Diego, CA 92124
lmk when you send out

From: "devongiles giles" <undermine_mtg@hotmail.com>
To: masterofringz@hotmail.com
Subject: trade
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:22:32 -0400

Sure I'd like to do that deal

My 2x Deed and FOIL Fire/Ice for your 3x Undermine

I'd prefer simul-send but if you really want to I will send first.

reply with your address

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