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I'm not gonna go making stupid excuses...i'm going to tell the truth...YES, i sent about 3 days later than i was supposed to...and yes i forgot to send the ensnare with it..but i absolutely DID NOT give you a hard time about sending it,,,... i sent on Friday and i even told you i was just joking around when i said i wasn't sending it (which explains why you got it on saturday)

Then you said since you got it before that big tournament you weren't gonna put me on the BTA and just ton be sure i'm more careful and you were being all nice and friendly to me....and i haven't even talked to you since then.....buit now all of asudden you put me on the BTA.,..

I don't get it.........

Well, to make the long story that you already read short....

I did send late, i did forget a card, but i am 95% sure that i sent first in our first trade b/c he has always had more refs...and to be put on the BTA for something like this...maybe it is necessary...but i have had this happen to me several times...yes several times...and as long as i get my cards in good condition and before i really need them then it is ok with me..

Now, I'm sorry about this incident,...and i have been being more careful

EDIT: By the way - our first trade was a simulsend because we had a similar amount of refs.

I agree....i should be reprimanded i guess...so anyway...thatnks for bot getting all mad about it...

You're a nice guy.

MatthewPaulKraft: finally
MatthewPaulKraft: where were you?
PatMicMac: what?
PatMicMac: eating
MatthewPaulKraft: jwe gotta finish that deal
MatthewPaulKraft: you scared me again
MatthewPaulKraft: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/076044.html
MatthewPaulKraft: th
MatthewPaulKraft: at is my list...i posted on yours
MatthewPaulKraft: post on mine ASAP.
PatMicMac: i did
MatthewPaulKraft: i'll be back in 10 mins to check it
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: i dont have 2 uindermines
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted> <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: you didn't post on my list yet
MatthewPaulKraft: you hve to post an offer
MatthewPaulKraft: fine i will still trade for just 1 undermine
MatthewPaulKraft: tell me when you post on there
MatthewPaulKraft: be back in a while
MatthewPaulKraft: ttyl
PatMicMac: ok
Auto response from MatthewPaulKraft: I am away from my computer right now.

MatthewPaulKraft: i am back
MatthewPaulKraft: have you posted?
PatMicMac: no
PatMicMac: im playing apprentice
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: im in the middle of a game
MatthewPaulKraft: are you going to post any time soon?
PatMicMac: maybe
MatthewPaulKraft: ok i'll check in occasionally
PatMicMac: it would be easier for me to talk to you while im playing
MatthewPaulKraft: really/
MatthewPaulKraft: post first b/c i need the up :-D
MatthewPaulKraft: back
MatthewPaulKraft: done posting?
PatMicMac: not done yet
MatthewPaulKraft: aight be back in about 10 mins. then
PatMicMac: lol
Auto response from MatthewPaulKraft: I am away from my computer right now.

MatthewPaulKraft: done son
MatthewPaulKraft: hurry
PatMicMac: that wasnt 10 mins
MatthewPaulKraft: lol it was almost 5
PatMicMac: im almost dead
MatthewPaulKraft: aight..
MatthewPaulKraft: cool
MatthewPaulKraft: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb//Forum2/HTML/076044.html
MatthewPaulKraft: post when you get a chance in regards to our offer
MatthewPaulKraft: and GO GO GO GO GO
PatMicMac: im not trading my orim's chant
Auto response from MatthewPaulKraft: I am away from my computer right now.

MatthewPaulKraft: LOL..ok
MatthewPaulKraft: i didn't think so
MatthewPaulKraft: i don't need it that much anyway
MatthewPaulKraft: ha ha
MatthewPaulKraft: did you post yet
PatMicMac: no
PatMicMac: just lost
MatthewPaulKraft: to who?
PatMicMac: warriorspirit2000
MatthewPaulKraft: oh
MatthewPaulKraft: he is good.
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm gonna download apprentice..
MatthewPaulKraft: give me the link
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: one sec
MatthewPaulKraft: what all do i have to do to have it so i cqan play like you do/
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: one sec
MatthewPaulKraft: post an offer on my list lata then
PatMicMac: download it and get a patch
MatthewPaulKraft: aight link?
PatMicMac: one sec
MatthewPaulKraft: you said that many secs ago
MatthewPaulKraft: lol
MatthewPaulKraft: i gtg get up early so i wanna hurry
PatMicMac: lol
MatthewPaulKraft: you know what?
MatthewPaulKraft: nevermind
MatthewPaulKraft: i can't have it on this comp anyway
MatthewPaulKraft: just post on my lisst
MatthewPaulKraft: i will do it tomorrow nite on my own comp
MatthewPaulKraft: :-(
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm on my dad's girlfriends' lap top
MatthewPaulKraft: i can't do it on here
MatthewPaulKraft: so just post on my list
MatthewPaulKraft: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb//Forum2/HTML/076044.html
MatthewPaulKraft: i need that undermine REAL bad
PatMicMac: www.e-league.org
MatthewPaulKraft: i need 2 REAL bad
MatthewPaulKraft: that doesn't even work
PatMicMac: yes it does
MatthewPaulKraft: it is e-league.com
MatthewPaulKraft: not org
PatMicMac: yeah
MatthewPaulKraft: what do i do when i'm there???
PatMicMac: go to apprentice
MatthewPaulKraft: i can't find it on there
MatthewPaulKraft: let's do our trade first, OK"?????
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: im looking
MatthewPaulKraft: good
MatthewPaulKraft: tell me when you post
PatMicMac: im posting right now
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: i did
MatthewPaulKraft: ok good
MatthewPaulKraft: wow man you really slimmed that down
MatthewPaulKraft: you don't want the 2 elvish champions, skyshroud poacher anymore?
PatMicMac: nope
PatMicMac: i dont need them as much
MatthewPaulKraft: why not...they are on your list
MatthewPaulKraft: i know but they could help my side of the deal
PatMicMac: well then i still need them i guess
MatthewPaulKraft: lol ok
MatthewPaulKraft: uhh......tell me if this is close....
MatthewPaulKraft: your undermine, nether spirit, sap burst, des. angel, for my rage, 2 champ., 1 poacher, 2 forge
PatMicMac: hmm
PatMicMac: one sec
MatthewPaulKraft: rage is definitely more tan undermine
PatMicMac: i know
MatthewPaulKraft: elet's go by motl prices
MatthewPaulKraft: 2 elvish champion is - 5.5, poacher is 1.25, 2 forge is 7.5, and rage is 13 for a total of 27.25
MatthewPaulKraft: undermine - 10.75, nether spirit, 4.5, burst-4, and angel is 5 for a total of 24.25.
PatMicMac: well, wait
MatthewPaulKraft: lin sivvi is 2.5 so add one and it is even
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: i cant trade the desolation angel until i get it
PatMicMac: but my friend really wants it
PatMicMac: so i dont know if i can trade it
PatMicMac: hes offering me chants for it
MatthewPaulKraft: geese...i will call it even if you trade it to me without the lin sivvi
MatthewPaulKraft: it is my 27.25 to your 24.25
MatthewPaulKraft: and i will do that if you trade it to me
PatMicMac: hmm
MatthewPaulKraft: just send out as soon as you get it
MatthewPaulKraft: :-(:-(:-(please:-(:-(:-(
PatMicMac: hmmm
MatthewPaulKraft: :'(:'(:'(pretty please:-(
MatthewPaulKraft: :'(:-(pretty prett please:-(:'(
MatthewPaulKraft: pretty pretty :'(
PatMicMac: stop it
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: lol
MatthewPaulKraft: lol
PatMicMac: just take out some stuff
MatthewPaulKraft: like what? i really need that ALOT
MatthewPaulKraft: you take out angel, i take out 1 forge...b/c one is in mail and this is safe?
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: take out the champions and the poacher
MatthewPaulKraft: well i don't know......
MatthewPaulKraft: my rage and 2 forge for your undermine, spirit, and burst
PatMicMac: i could throw in a small something
MatthewPaulKraft: i'd rather keep a forge and add elves back in if it's ok with you
MatthewPaulKraft: aight what can you add
MatthewPaulKraft: a lin sivvi?
MatthewPaulKraft: it's only 2.5
MatthewPaulKraft: ?
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: i can add one of the lesser rares on my list
MatthewPaulKraft: oh you aren't adding lin sivvi?
MatthewPaulKraft: you got coalition victory?
MatthewPaulKraft: or aluren?
MatthewPaulKraft: ok willy ou add a deflection???
MatthewPaulKraft: come on hurry man
MatthewPaulKraft: yo come on i gotta go
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: yeah
PatMicMac: ill add deflection
MatthewPaulKraft: ok bye
MatthewPaulKraft signed off at 10:42:22 PM.
MatthewPaulKraft signed on at 10:45:19 PM
PatMicMac: hey, I will need your address to send to you
MatthewPaulKraft: oh yeh lol
MatthewPaulKraft: it is: Matt Kraft
MatthewPaulKraft: 120 Center St
MatthewPaulKraft: Sayre, PA 18840
PatMicMac: ok mine is: Patrick McCormack
PatMicMac: 706 Park Ave.
PatMicMac: Terrace Park, OH 45174
PatMicMac: ok, will send out as soon as I can
MatthewPaulKraft: ok cya
MatthewPaulKraft signed off at 10:58:36 PM.

A few days later

MatthewPaulKraft: I AM BUSY
MatthewPaulKraft: GET BACK TO ME LATER
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: i'ce been waitin
PatMicMac: i've been waiting 3 days
PatMicMac: Email me noW
MatthewPaulKraft: you know what?
MatthewPaulKraft: now i'm not gonna email you at all
MatthewPaulKraft: it's not my fault you never sent dude
PatMicMac: i did dude
MatthewPaulKraft: if you lived closer i'd let you search my friggin cards
MatthewPaulKraft: i don't have a single deflection
MatthewPaulKraft: except the one in my complete 7th set
PatMicMac: you could have already traded it
PatMicMac: and that could be the one i traded you
MatthewPaulKraft: i figured you would say that
MatthewPaulKraft: no it isn't
MatthewPaulKraft: ask floppy
MatthewPaulKraft: i've had that set for about 3 months
MatthewPaulKraft: wel lmaybe not that long
MatthewPaulKraft: ]but for a long time
PatMicMac: ok... he got his cards last week
PatMicMac: and i sent to him a week after i sent to you
MatthewPaulKraft: oh cool
MatthewPaulKraft: too bad i didn't get mine
MatthewPaulKraft: and i needed them
PatMicMac: well, email me
MatthewPaulKraft: no ... you think i'm gonna listen to you after you a. call me a liar b. think i'm a ripper c. threatened me
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm not doing it
PatMicMac: what?
MatthewPaulKraft: listen
PatMicMac: ok, you did lie
MatthewPaulKraft: paul is an <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: i already told you this
PatMicMac: and he is still a GOOD trader
MatthewPaulKraft: he is a veryujealous kid
MatthewPaulKraft: and he would do anything to make me mad because he is gay
MatthewPaulKraft: he knows that i'm not really a ripper
MatthewPaulKraft: he has traded with me like 500 times
PatMicMac: yeh, you live in the same town
MatthewPaulKraft: i know
PatMicMac: so if you rip him, he can go over to your house
MatthewPaulKraft: well ya... but still he knows i'm not a riper
MatthewPaulKraft: he's just being an <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: i swear to god
MatthewPaulKraft: and i go to church every sunday
PatMicMac: so do i, it doesnt mean anything that you go to church every sunday
MatthewPaulKraft: i said i swear to god
MatthewPaulKraft: and i wouldn't say that unless i meant it
PatMicMac: and that means nothing to me on the internet
PatMicMac: then y are you afraid to email me
MatthewPaulKraft: oh ok whatever
MatthewPaulKraft: just telling you why he is sticking up for you
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm not afraid dud
MatthewPaulKraft: e
PatMicMac: you've been avoiding it for 3 days now
MatthewPaulKraft: :-P
PatMicMac: then do it
MatthewPaulKraft: you should have saved the email
MatthewPaulKraft: it isn't my fault
PatMicMac: you never sent an email
PatMicMac: i saved the aim convo
MatthewPaulKraft: oh well that is good enough then
MatthewPaulKraft: you ever heard of teferi's care?
PatMicMac: yeh, what about it
MatthewPaulKraft: that is a gay card
MatthewPaulKraft: i just thought about it
PatMicMac: ok, email me
MatthewPaulKraft: do you have cards lying all around your room and ****
PatMicMac: no, i have them organized
MatthewPaulKraft: oh..i have mine somewhat organized
MatthewPaulKraft: but i have way too maby
MatthewPaulKraft: i have like bops, vindicates, and <expletive deleted> jus lying all around my rom
MatthewPaulKraft: on my dresser on my desk on my bed
PatMicMac: you need to email me
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm an idiot
MatthewPaulKraft: you need to leave me alone
PatMicMac: i will if you email me
PatMicMac: and send me the cards you owe me
MatthewPaulKraft: and i will email you if you leave me alone
PatMicMac: email me first
MatthewPaulKraft: umm...when i get the cards that you owe me i wills end yours
MatthewPaulKraft: jesus christ kid....i didn't get those <expletive deleted> cards, alright?
PatMicMac: then y wont you email me
MatthewPaulKraft: because i didn't get your cards
MatthewPaulKraft: i wille mail you when they get here
PatMicMac: email me with the deal im saying
MatthewPaulKraft: oh... i see
MatthewPaulKraft: NO
MatthewPaulKraft: W-R-I-T-E I-T D-O-W-N
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm telling you right now
MatthewPaulKraft: i haven't got the cards
PatMicMac: i want to ones you rightfully owe me
PatMicMac: if you're so sure that you got them, then <expletive deleted> email me
MatthewPaulKraft: no i didn't get them
MatthewPaulKraft: you just said i got them
MatthewPaulKraft: but i didn't
PatMicMac: well, then <expletive deleted> email me if you didnt get them
MatthewPaulKraft: what is the point??? ... you have the trade saved from messages and you an write it down :-P:-P
MatthewPaulKraft: <expletive deleted> gtg
PatMicMac: email me
MatthewPaulKraft: i'll finish this convo tomorrow
PatMicMac: email me
MatthewPaulKraft: i'll be on at like 11 am eastern time
MatthewPaulKraft: lata
MatthewPaulKraft signed off at 12:31:22 AM.

This past saturday

PatMicMac: jquan says you still owe him 2 repacks
UndermineAScuta: nah
PatMicMac: nah what?
UndermineAScuta: nah
UndermineAScuta: i sent on wednesday or someything
PatMicMac: so did you go to the post office?
UndermineAScuta: nope...i gotta wait for my check in the mail then i'm going to mail out some money orders ... i wll ask then
UndermineAScuta: it will be onday definitely
PatMicMac: what?
UndermineAScuta: monday
UndermineAScuta: are you blind?
PatMicMac: you said you'd do it today
UndermineAScuta: why would i go with nothing to send out
UndermineAScuta: i thought my money would b here today
UndermineAScuta: but it will be here monday
PatMicMac: because you promised
PatMicMac: so how do i know that you haven't received my cards
UndermineAScuta: well i will go monday .. i'm 15, i don't have a car, the o=po is like 2 miles
UndermineAScuta: so i can't just go whenever i want ok?
UndermineAScuta: i will go when the money comes aand i mail my stuff out?
PatMicMac: yeh, but when you say you will go on saturday that means you're supposed togo on saturday
UndermineAScuta: when a guy says my <expletive deleted> will be here saturday it should be here
UndermineAScuta: and it didn't come today
UndermineAScuta: i'm sure it will be here monday
UndermineAScuta: what is the big deal...i will tell you monday
PatMicMac: because i want my cards
UndermineAScuta: jesus...i told you i can't walk 2m iles every day
UndermineAScuta: i will go on monday when i have money ot mail other stuff out..., and have a ride
PatMicMac: you just asked what the big deal was
PatMicMac: and i told you the answer
UndermineAScuta: ok well it is no big deal
UndermineAScuta: i will tell you where your cards are monday
UndermineAScuta: when i go to the po
PatMicMac: it is a big deal to me
UndermineAScuta: well you can wait 2 days
UndermineAScuta: i don't care how long you waite
UndermineAScuta: so don't say i already waited for a month
UndermineAScuta: i will talk to you monday
PatMicMac: i have been waiting over a month
UndermineAScuta: ok thanks
UndermineAScuta: i already told you not to say that
UndermineAScuta: bye
PatMicMac: no, you told me not to say i've been waiting a month
UndermineAScuta: oh ok
UndermineAScuta: lol
UndermineAScuta: i get it
PatMicMac: i've been waiting over a month now and am getting frustrated
UndermineAScuta: well so am i...because i've been waiting over a month for an undermine in the mail
PatMicMac: So you're gonna send me my cards on monday?
UndermineAScuta: no i'm gonna go to the post office mondayt
PatMicMac: Things don't get lost in the mail (at least in the U.S.).
Face it, it just doesn't happen anymore. You could label a package with just a name and a zip code and it would still probably get to it's destination. If someone trys to give you the excuse that the cards got lost in the mail, they're probably full of it, plus, they are still responsible for making sure you get your cards. If you think something may have been lost, go to your local post office and have them do a trace on your package. If you want to be absolutely sure that your cards get to their destination, send them by certified mail and the person you're trading with will have to sign for them when they arrive.

UndermineAScuta: when i get your cards what do you want.....your cards bak or what?
UndermineAScuta: dude quit sending me that <expletive deleted>
PatMicMac: yeh, i want my cards back
UndermineAScuta: i alreadyt read it
PatMicMac: then send me the cards you owe me
UndermineAScuta: which ones
PatMicMac: i know you read it
UndermineAScuta: i will when i ge your cards
PatMicMac: Undermine, Saproling burst, Deflection, Nehter spirit
UndermineAScuta: ok lets just shut up
UndermineAScuta: we will figure it out monday when i go to the po
UndermineAScuta: ok
PatMicMac: ok...
UndermineAScuta: thanks

This past tuesday

You have just entered room "PatMicMac Chat79."
MatthewPaulKraft has entered the room.
MatthewPaulKraft: stay in here
MatthewPaulKraft: i gotta go eat
MatthewPaulKraft: brb
PatMicMac: ugh
WarriorSpirit200 has entered the room.
WarriorSpirit200: Ok, why did u rip him kraft?
PatMicMac: he says he went to go eat again
WarriorSpirit200: <expletive deleted>...
WarriorSpirit200 has left the room.
MatthewPaulKraft: hi
MatthewPaulKraft: not again
PatMicMac: hi one sec
MatthewPaulKraft: i didn't eat the first tim
WarriorSpirit200 has entered the room.
WarriorSpirit200: Kraft
MatthewPaulKraft: hi
WarriorSpirit200: Did you rip patrick?
MatthewPaulKraft: do i know you
MatthewPaulKraft: no
MatthewPaulKraft: N-O
WarriorSpirit200: No, you dont, Then where are his cards?
MatthewPaulKraft: at his house probably
WarriorSpirit200: You sent his cards?
MatthewPaulKraft: no
PatMicMac: at my house??
PatMicMac: yeh, right
MatthewPaulKraft: the cards he supposedly sent.....about the deal i supposedly agreed to
PatMicMac: you know i sent to you
MatthewPaulKraft: no i don't KNOW anythig
WarriorSpirit200: WTF! Kraft patrick has proof
MatthewPaulKraft: ok
PatMicMac: hmm, you agreed to the deal, as in my aim convo, now you deny it
PatMicMac: and y would you be denying it if you never got the cards
MatthewPaulKraft has left the room.
WarriorSpirit200: <expletive deleted>!!!
WarriorSpirit200: Pat, im on your side
PatMicMac: ok
PatMicMac: he is coming back
MatthewPaulKraft has entered the room.
MatthewPaulKraft: now....
PatMicMac: i'll brb
WarriorSpirit200: Kraft.. dont rip him
MatthewPaulKraft: i honestly don't remember making this trade...but all isaid was that i would do it if i ever got your
WarriorSpirit200: If you do ILL file the fraud if he wont
MatthewPaulKraft: and i never did
MatthewPaulKraft: dude.....i didn't
MatthewPaulKraft: I'M NOT A RIPPER
WarriorSpirit200: I might not go to court but fraud is free :-)
MatthewPaulKraft: SEND EMAILS TO RANDOM PEOPLE FROM MY REF LIST
MatthewPaulKraft: DO WHATEVER YOU WANT
WarriorSpirit200: Dude, dont get ****y with me
MatthewPaulKraft: well don't threaten to file mail fraud onnme
MatthewPaulKraft: WHEN I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING
WarriorSpirit200: I have WAY more refs than you so dont get happy b/c you have 20some refs
MatthewPaulKraft: well....don't call me a ripper
MatthewPaulKraft: i don't care how many you have
WarriorSpirit200: You ripped patrick!
WarriorSpirit200: He has proof
MatthewPaulKraft: no i really didn't
MatthewPaulKraft: no.....i didn't get cards from him
PatMicMac: umm, cards dont get lost in the mail anymore
PatMicMac: go to the trading tips again
PatMicMac: and then send me my cards
PatMicMac: did you go to the post office on monday?
MatthewPaulKraft: no.....that <expletive deleted> ripped me i think
WarriorSpirit200: WTF you never sent
MatthewPaulKraft: not pat
MatthewPaulKraft: i'm talking about a guy who admitted to getting my <expletive deleted>
MatthewPaulKraft: he was suppoda send a lotus and $250
MatthewPaulKraft: he got my stuff monday and he supposedly sent thurs...priority
WarriorSpirit200: Ok, dude were not talking about that were talking about how YOU ripped pat
MatthewPaulKraft: well that is why i didn't get to the po
MatthewPaulKraft: and i didn't rip him
WarriorSpirit200: Then why havent you sent?
MatthewPaulKraft: ok you done accusing me of ****......b/c i don't feel like sititn here and being called a ripper
MatthewPaulKraft: no the question must be 'why didn't he?"
MatthewPaulKraft has left the room.
WarriorSpirit200 has left the room.

He Still hasn't sent the cards, and has blocked me on aol so that i can't talk to him, and hope that his UndermineAScuta screen name will not make traders think that this is not him, but i would just like him to send the cards he rightfully owes me, also hope this enough evidance, because it is all i have

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