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Author Topic:   Ripper: Brian Vogel - User Name: big7bird7, brian_vogel@hotmail.com
]-[arlock
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posted August 24, 2001 04:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ]-[arlock Click Here to Email ]-[arlock Send a private message to ]-[arlock Click to send ]-[arlock an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I sent my cards to this trader on the 27th of July. I sent first because of the reference inbalance in his favor.
I have not heard from him since the day before I sent the cards. He does not return my emails.

The evidence is just a series of replies between us setting up the trade and me submitting to sending first.

Any help contacting this person and either getting me the cards I am due or returning my pretty foils would be greatly appreciated!

]-[


Evidence of trade:

well since I am sending cards that i normally dont trade off (wrath, monger)
i would prefer that you send first.

here is my addy:
Brian Vogel
1435 B Pershing
Fort Bliss, TX 79906


From: "Harlock" <calhoun@accucomm.net>
To: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:54:26 -0400

MOTL Refs Page: http://refs.magictraders.com/]-[arlock.html
GAB Refs Page: http://216.147.127.34/team_frames.htm (Captain Harlock,
Cobalt Team)

I would prefer simul-send so that I can get the cards earlier. However, if
we strictly go by MOTL refs, I will send first.

My address is:
Calhoun
234 North Linton Forest Drive
Sandersville, GA 31082

Just let me know how you feel on the sending and send me your address so I
can package the cards up.

]-[

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
To: <calhoun@accucomm.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer


sure i give this one a go also. now lets talk sending. how many refs
do
you have and can i have a link to your page so that i might check them
out?
my ref page is at:
http://refs.magictraders.com/big7bird7.html

LMK soon

Big Bird


From: "Harlock" <calhoun@accucomm.net>
To: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:08:26 -0400

The Foil Orb is in limbo right now. I have someone who wanted it and
says
they sent the cards out over a week ago. This guy also says the mail
is
slow in his country, but will not tell me what country he is in. Until
that
clears, I need to hang on to the card - just in case.

So are we making the trade?

]-[

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
To: <calhoun@accucomm.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer



what about the foil orb?

From: "Harlock" <calhoun@accucomm.net>
To: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:00:39 -0400

Okay, then the deal would be:

My:
1 Foil Necravolver
1 Foil Penumbra Bobcat
1 Foil Soul Link
1 Foil Arena Island Promo Card
1 Foil Arena Forest Promo Card
1 Foil Arena Mountain Promo Card
1 Foil Dromar's Charm
1 Foil Mind Rot

for your:
1 spirit monger
2 daring apprentice
1 pern deed
1 rishidan port
1 wrath of god

If all the cards are in nm/mint condition, I give this one a "go!"

Send me your address for confirmation.

Thanks
]-[

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
To: <calhoun@accucomm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer



i can't do that sorry. I am in need of 1 more rage and 2 more
undermines
for a deck. LMK if you still want to trade?

Big Bird

From: "Harlock" <calhoun@accucomm.net>
To: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:36:21 -0400

How about instead of the Port, the Rage of the Undermine?

]-[

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
To: <calhoun@accucomm.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: MOTL Trade Offer


well let me try this counter offer then:
1 spirit monger
2 daring apprentice
1 pern deed
1 rishidan port
1 wrath of god
and if you can give me the foil orb i will add a mystic
snake


From: "Harlock" <calhoun@accucomm.net>
To: <brian_vogel@hotmail.com>
Subject: MOTL Trade Offer
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:45:05 -0400

The Foil Static Orb may be spoken for already. I am
waiting
to
hear
back
from the guy who made the offer. However, I can get you
the
other
cards
for:
1 spirit monger or 1 urza's rage
1 birds of paradise
1 undermine
2 daring apprentice
1 mystic snake

Some of the other cards I liked from your list are:
1 blazing specter
2 desolation angel
2 absorb
4 pernicious deed
3 mystic snake
2 undermine
4 vindicate
4 birds of paradise
3 utopia tree
3 yavimaya coast
3 battlefield forge
4 rishidan port
4 cave of kiolos
3 llanawar waste
3 shivan reef
3 urza's rage
4 wrath of god

]-[

posted July 24, 2001 10:23 AM




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what would it take to get these off of you from my list?:
1 Foil Necravolver
1 Foil Penumbra Bobcat
1 Foil Soul Link
1 Foil Arena Island Promo Card
1 Foil Arena Forest Promo Card
1 Foil Arena Mountain Promo Card
1 Foil Dromar's Charm
1 Foil Mind Rot
1 Foil Static Orb

__________________
lmk at brian_vogel@hotmail.com

Big Bird







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big7bird7
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posted August 24, 2001 05:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for big7bird7 Click Here to Email big7bird7 Send a private message to big7bird7 Click to send big7bird7 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Yes I agreed to this trade with this trader. And he did tell me he would send first as the evidence shows. Unfortunately I have not recieved any cards from this trader even though he says he sent. I can not possibly send my cards if he agreed to send first and I never recieved. I am not saying he never sent but that I never recieved. The mail does get lost but I can not percieve sending him cards when I did not get any from him. If this makes me a bad trader then I am sorry.

__________________
lotus petal count: 143


lmk at brian_vogel@hotmail.com

Big Bird

 
wayne
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posted August 25, 2001 10:55 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant MessageVisit wayne's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Bad Trader Forum Guideline #8. It is the responsibility of the sender to make sure his cards arrive. You are responsible for your cards until the person you traded with recieves the cards. I do not want to see the I already sent stuff on this forum. If you sent money online to a business for cards and never recieved the cards you'd ask the business to refund your money or resend the product and that applies to individual traders as well. For you bad traders and rippers who think you can say you sent and will not send again if the cards don't arrive, I will have the accuser file charges against you. I am sick and tired of hearing that. If you are that worried your cards are not arriving then mail return reciept or certified.

Please try to resolve this amongst yourselves and keep me updated.

 
]-[arlock
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posted August 25, 2001 03:11 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ]-[arlock Click Here to Email ]-[arlock Send a private message to ]-[arlock Click to send ]-[arlock an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
This is the first contact I have had from Brian. Over the past two weeks, I have been sending him email to let me know something - anything - about the cards I sent him.

He now comes forward - only after I turn in his name - to claim he has not received the cards I sent him. If his claim is valid, why did he not return any of the emails I sent him.

If Brian's claim of "I did not get his cards" is simply enough to absolve him, then I guess I just have to eat this one and this guy gets away scot-free.

The cards were sent. He did not reply to my emails concerning the trade being extremely in arrears. I can not resolve anything without Brian's input. His not responding makes him a bad trader in my book.

]-[

 
wayne
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posted September 06, 2001 10:28 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant MessageVisit wayne's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hmmm, seems that there's no progress and looks like a case of lost mail. Anyway, sorry ]-[arlock, the sender is responsible for what he sends... However, all is not lost, for the sake of goodwill, some traders might be kind enough to negotiate a compromise, perhaps you could try that.
 
]-[arlock
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posted September 08, 2001 06:24 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ]-[arlock Click Here to Email ]-[arlock Send a private message to ]-[arlock Click to send ]-[arlock an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
bigbird has to respond to my emails in order for there to be any type of resolution.

He has yet to respond.

]-[

 
wayne
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posted September 14, 2001 10:59 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant MessageVisit wayne's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Any updates on the situation? I'm sorry I cannot help you much since there is no evidence of him receiving the cards.
 
]-[arlock
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posted September 19, 2001 04:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ]-[arlock Click Here to Email ]-[arlock Send a private message to ]-[arlock Click to send ]-[arlock an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have yet to receive a response from him.

I guess I am just out of luck on this one with no recourse available.

]-[

 
wayne
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posted September 25, 2001 02:27 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant MessageVisit wayne's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'm closing this because it's going nowhere, sorry to hear that you lost your cards.
 

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