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Topic: Ripper: yst, yst42@yahoo.com
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Oleg Yegorov
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posted August 24, 2001 09:44 AM
      
It was a simple T2 trade my 3x Phyrexian scutas for his 3x skizziks. I sent first, as he had 30+ refs and i had 4 he got my cards , gave me a ref and said he sent his. I never saw them. It has been 2 months since he "sent" them.
Evidence of trade:The address on the envelope was: Here goes our e-mail messages Alexander Bolotnikov
Krasnoarmeyskaya 26-2-11
Moscow, 125167, Russia
--- "Oleg V. Yegorov" <oyegorov@online.ru> wrote:
I am back. There are no cards. The adress is correct
as far as I know, but
maybe it was a mistake. Have you still got that
paper? If you do write me
that adress.
-----Original Message-----
From: yst <yst42@yahoo.com>
To: Oleg V. Yegorov <oyegorov@online.ru>
Date: 1 aaaonoa 2001 a. 14:01
Subject: Re: MOTL
I have already sent the 3x Skizzik to you for 5
weeks
now and I've sent it to the address on the
envelope.
Are you sure you wrote the right address on it?
--- "Oleg V. Yegorov" <oyegorov@online.ru> wrote:
Hey, man why arent you answering on my letters?
Don't you think a month is a
long time to wait for the cards... and it is
strange
you got my cards in two
week's time and i am wating for a month... Today
I
am leaving for two weeks
if after this time cards aren't here I will
contact
the moderator.
Oleg
-----Original Message-----
From: yst <yst42@yahoo.com>
To: Oleg V. Yegorov <oyegorov@online.ru>
Date: 30 eþiy 2001 a. 13:55
Subject: Re: MOTL
Got my cards yet? LMK
--- "Oleg V. Yegorov" <oyegorov@online.ru>
wrote:
Hi! Sorry for not answering for your letters i
was
away for a couple of
days, hope you wrote the right adress on the
envelope :-) my I will send
you a refcheck today. LMK when you get the
cards.
thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: yst <yst42@yahoo.com>
To: Oleg V. Yegorov <oyegorov@online.ru>
Date: 21 eþiy 2001 a. 14:45
Subject: Re: MOTL
I got your cards and address today and I'll
send
tomorrow. You can send me a refcheck.
--- "Oleg V. Yegorov" <oyegorov@online.ru>
wrote:
Sent the cards today, LMK when you get
them.
-----Original Message-----
From: yst <yst42@yahoo.com>
To: Oleg V. Yegorov <oyegorov@online.ru>
Date: 10 eþiy 2001 a. 17:07
Subject: Re: MOTL
That's ok with me
--- "Oleg V. Yegorov"
<oyegorov@online.ru>
wrote:
Sorry for not answering for so long,
just
had
lots
of things to do I still
want the trade, but there is one problem
i
will
not
be able to send cards
untill wednesday, as we have an
independenceday.
LMK
if that suits you.
Oleg
-----Original Message-----
From: yst <yst42@yahoo.com>
To: Oleg V. Yegorov <oyegorov@online.ru>
Date: 8 eþiy 2001 a. 20:24
Subject: Re: MOTL
My address is:
Yung-Sang Tang
Abel Tasmanstraat 42
5665 VR Geldrop
The Netherlands
--- "Oleg V. Yegorov"
<oyegorov@online.ru>
wrote:
My scutas are mint. Tell me the
adress
to
send
to... And i will send. LMK
-----Original Message-----
From: yst <yst42@yahoo.com>
To: oyegorov@online.ru
<oyegorov@online.ru>
Date: 7 eþiy 2001 a. 18:54
Subject: MOTL
Hi,
You posted on my topic:
My 3x scuta for your 3x skizzik LMK
OK, I'll do that. But you've got to
send
first
because
I've got 31 refs and you've got 2.
Please
specify
the
condition of the cards. My Skizzik's
are
near
mint/mint. LMK
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yst
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posted August 25, 2001 01:11 AM
I'm not a ripper. I've send the day after I've received his.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by yst on August 25, 2001]
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jesters
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posted August 25, 2001 01:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by yst:
I'm not a ripper. I've send the day after I've received his.
but the rules said u are responsible for what u are sending
so if your cards u sent didn't reach him
u gotta send again ( that's the rule )
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Qu@$!modo
Banned
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posted August 25, 2001 03:10 AM
I'm not sure if it's legal to reply because I haven't got much to do with the deal but Ok, let's just try.I think this guy isn't a ripper, I traded with him after he was convinced by ripping and I send first, I can give you the evidence but it's written in Dutch so I have to translate it. __________________
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wayne
Member
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posted October 06, 2001 10:36 PM
Could I have an update on the situation? Has this been resolved amongst yourselves yet?
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yst
Member
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posted October 07, 2001 02:20 AM
I try to contact him but he doesn't respond anymore.
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The Specialist
Member
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posted October 07, 2001 10:32 AM
Just want to add my five cents to this post... The Russian Federation mail system is notably corrupt (some people I talked with claim up to 25%-30% fraud rate!)... my advice to any person trading to Russia is to send certified...
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yst
Member
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posted October 08, 2001 12:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by The Specialist:
The Russian Federation mail system is notably corrupt (some people I talked with claim up to 25%-30% fraud rate!)... my advice to any person trading to Russia is to send certified...
That could explain why my cards didn't arrive, because I didn't send certified.
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WeedIan
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posted October 08, 2001 05:32 PM
Well I think that if he won't contact you, then he probably has the cards.__________________
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yst
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posted October 11, 2001 02:38 AM
I think that I've found evidence that Oleg Yegorov is trying to fool me and that he is the bad trader. Let's begin from the beginning.....Our trade started on June 7 2001. He makes the offer: "My 3x Scuta for your 3x Skizzik". That sounded very good to me because Scuta's were very hot then and worth alot more than Skizzik's. First I was a bit suspicious, but then I checked his refs and he god only 2 MOTL-refs then and I've got 31, so I won't risk anything. About a week later I received his cards and the day after I send my 3x Skizzik's out. On June 21 he says he still hasn't received my cards. Then I went on vacation on July 2 till August 1 . I've responded him once during my vacation, because it was hard to find a computer. When I was back he says he still hasn't received my cards and on August 24 he posted me immediately as a ripper without even trying to solve this by ourselves. I was very mad then and I still am, because it's not good for my image here on MOTL.
But then I saw a guy on MOTL named "Alex Bolotnikov". That name sounded very familiar to me and it's was the same name as the guy who says that I'm a ripper "Oleg Yegorov". So that guy used "Oleg Yegorov" for MOTL, but his real name was Alexander Bolotnikov. Then I checked the profiles of "Oleg Yegorov" & "Alex Bolotnikov" and I found out that they both lived in Moscow, Russia. And more important: "Alex Bolotnikov" started with MOTL on July 15 2001, that was when I was on vacation and when he probably already had received my Skizzik's.
Then I checked the H/W list of "Alex Bolotnikov" and there I saw that he's 4x Skizzik. Those could be my 3x Skizziks. After that I wanted to compare the H/W lists of "Alex Bolotnikov" & "Oleg Yegorov", but strangely "Oleg Yegorov" removed his H/W list and also deleted his "location". Very suspicious. Then I compared the profiles of both and the they were modified in a way that you can't see that they're the same person. I don't know if this enough evidence to prove my innocence and I also don't know how to do an IP-check or something, but I hope the moderators can help me with that.
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The Specialist
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posted October 11, 2001 09:02 AM
Me again!  I traded with Alex, and he came recommanded by LeoCrazy (leocrazy@chat.ru), which I consider THE reference when trading in Russia... if you suspect Alex and Oleg are the same person, I suggest you talk it over with Leo. He's a Level one judge, and he's the one who judges a lot of pre-releases in Moscow, he might be able to help you out (or at least clear up the confusion related to the two accounts). For now, I would prefer Alex not be dragged into all of this without any solid proof, all of it seems very circumstantial... Mods, would it be possible to do the I.P. check?
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leocrazy
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posted October 11, 2001 11:48 AM
Hi there, traders community.
Unfortunately, i cannot read this topic before, because i was in GP Vienna. I can confirm, that the Alex Bolotnikov and Oleg Yegorov is not the same person. This 2 guys is teammates and this 2 persons operate a trade/sell business in one of Moscow club. both this traders use Alex post address, Because he has more experience for Online trading, and because he live near the post office. I think, based on MOTL rules (i can be wrong, i`m not a Leshrac)this 2 guys works correctly. I think Many other traders can confirm this fact. (this is a Fact, not a Fiction)
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Ladies and sirs!
If you have a question or need information about traders in Russia or Ukraine, About postage policy in Russia or other former USSR republic, please contact me via e-mail. And, i think, i can help you. __________________
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DCI Level 1 Judge
Captain Leocrazy, GAB PURPLE HAZE Team
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Alex Bolotnikov
Member
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posted October 11, 2001 01:20 PM
As Leo said, Oleg and I are not the same person. Oleg aksed me to let him use my mail address because he had already had bad experience with his local post office.I really don't know what provements do you need (passport scan?) We have different e-mails (Online.ru is an ISP, not a free e-mail service), we have different IPs... Alexander Bolotnikov P.S. BTW we haven't received the Skizziks from Yst yet...
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yst
Member
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posted October 12, 2001 02:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Alex Bolotnikov:
Oleg aksed me to let him use my mail address because he had already had bad experience with his local post office.
What do you mean with "bad experience with his local post office"? I don't think that that's a good argument why "Oleg" used your home address. And can you explain why "Oleg" deleted his H/W list and modified his profile? OK, then you can say that he's stopped with MOTL. If he stops, then I can understand that he wants to remove all data on his profile. But why doesn't he remove all his data? His ICQ and email are still there. Only his location is deleted. I think that's very suspicious. And where's "Oleg" anyways? He doesn't reply to this topic. And there's always a possibility that YOU, Alex, have received the 3x Skizziks and never told Oleg about it.
And to you Leocrazy: you said that Oleg used the address of Alex because Alex lives near the post office. I don't think that's a good argument. I mean, it doesn't matter if you live near the post office or not, the mail will be send to everywhere. Unless Alex uses a P.O. Box or something and if that's the case there's a possibility that someone at the post office stole the Skizziks because according to "The Specialist" "the Russian Federation mail system is notably corrupt".
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leocrazy
Member
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posted October 12, 2001 05:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by yst:
that's the case there's a possibility that someone at the post office stole the Skizziks because according to "The Specialist" "the Russian Federation mail system is notably corrupt".
Yep, this is possible, but this guys does not receive your scizziks, and you receive his Scutas. I think, you must replace your cards or return scutas back.
Mods, where is your reaction on this topic?
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Oleg Yegorov
Member
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posted October 12, 2001 08:16 AM
Hi all. It is me i came here to make some things clearer. First of all all the things yst wrote about me are not correct. I havent entered my location from the very beginning. I think mods can confirm it. Second i havent deleted my list, maybe it disappeared due to the fact that i havent updated it for about 3 months? I think mods can confirm it also. The fact that i use my friends adress is simple. Here in Russia we have not the best mailing system in the world, and it differs alot from one post office to another, and you can't use the one you want. My post office is VERY old and, should i say, corrupted. Sometimes i can't find even free advertisement there, while Alex's office is quite nice and he never had any problems. Is this reason simply enoguh? and lastly, as Leo said Alex is much more experienced. Oleg Yegorov
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Oleg Yegorov on October 12, 2001]
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wayne
Member
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posted October 14, 2001 03:17 AM
The sender has to ensure that the cards reach the other party.
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yst
Member
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posted October 15, 2001 04:25 AM
I've contacted Oleg to work things out.
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wayne
Member
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posted October 16, 2001 08:07 AM
Ok, please keep me updated, thanks.
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wayne
Member
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posted October 30, 2001 02:52 AM
Please update me on the situation, has the problem been resolved yet?
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yst
Member
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posted October 30, 2001 09:40 PM
Almost, I've sent 2x Karplusan Forest & 1x German Underground River to Oleg last week on Monday and he should receive them this week.
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wayne
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posted November 06, 2001 01:45 PM
Could I have an update?
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yst
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posted November 09, 2001 01:41 AM
He still hasn't received my cards he says.
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MyKoL
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posted November 10, 2001 09:51 AM
quote:
while Alex's office is quite nice and he never had any problems
how come I never recieved my FOIL LEGACY WEAPON??? __________________
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leocrazy
Member
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posted November 10, 2001 10:13 AM
i think this is not postage office problem
this is problem of postage system here, in Russia  unfortunately__________________
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DCI Level 1 Judge
Captain Leocrazy, GAB PURPLE HAZE Team
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