It is too bad that you did have to be such a liar and crook, anyways now that you have done what you think is right I think this post should be closed.. Along with the banning of your second name you cheap ripper!

I was at the post office they gave me the link to a site about mail fraud, they told me that as far as they know Kieth Hagerty has never filed a claim for insurance money. Is not in the process of filing nothing! They told me to get the insurance number, that if Keith refused to give the number then my best bet was to file mail fraud charges as soon as possible.

Keith I know you would love to just get this name banned so that you can come post whatever you feel like on here. Also if you did actually send (which I doubt) you still owe it to me.

Why coudnt you give any proof that you send, that makes your case very week.

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orig. said by Celkboa in an instant message:

You made a contract with me and since you didnt send, your still obligated to send. I mean even if you didnt get our stuff, or if something happened to it, you should still have to send to me

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The desision on your lame case was made, squizz said that if you have anything to prove you will need to take me to court, there was nothing else molt could do for you.

Then I come to Keith. He cant prove he even sent! Still you guys belive him! thats why he did it, he knew celkboa would find this!!!!! I mean I know he didnt even send, I have sent to italy twice, and have traded with a lot of people that sent close to this amount and didnt even send insured to me! They all got there stuff, and I got there stuff no problem. So I dont see how a certifired mail item can get lost in the mail. I suppose that it could happen, but then you think That lying mother ****ing pice of trash would want to get this over as soon as possible. All he would have to do is to take eaither recipet (convinetly lost, now) and read off the number to someone at a post office and have them tell him the status of the package. But the *** dosent want to do that instead he wants to have his stupid buddys (celkboa) post on my h/w list.

you know what he posted he posted that I was a ripper!!!! what the **** is up with that?!?!!? me the ripper Im the one that dosent have the card here. He has mine he aleady admited that! but he wont check to see if I got my end of the deal.

What I wanted to say about this is that even if that ******* did in fact send (which I wont belive until I see some proof) he should have at least negative karma for all the trouble he has put everyone through, and for what he wrote on my h/w list. When its as easy as the people at the post office have told me it is to check on a package insured for $200 or more and sent certified mail. He has no reason not to check unless he has never sent.

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Originally posted by MagicJunkie82:
me the ripper Im the one that dosent have the card here.

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Originally posted by MagicJunkie82:
I didnt say ripper I was giving you the benifit of the doubt

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I think the fact that I am not buckling under the pressure of all the threats and slandering he has put me through proves I am innocent. I mean honestly, if I was guilty would it not make sense to just make him happy.. That is not the case, and I am prepared to deal with whatever he says. He lied by saying that I threatened his militairy future. I never threatened anyone, I dont make threats, unlike James who threatened to "kill, beat, and watch me suffer". I saved all the IMs with these threats. I dont understand what type of psycho woudl go through all this trouble, just like planarboa said, he must be obcessed with the game to rip so many ppl off and accuse them. This post is really messing up my trading, which I have never had any troubles even with $100+ trades, and all the sudden this guy says "never got it man".. Yeah right, ok... My word against yours, the accused ripper.. I see, that makes me wrong right... NO!!!! Innocence is a great thing, and it shall be my salvation.. I do not deserve the pain in the rear this guy has been to me, or any banning or karma deductions. I held up my end of the deal, and if I had saved the email in which james says to me "Thanks for the foil Mox, lol I mean swamp!" Then I would not have to prove myself.. He is a cheap attempt at a ripper, and his second name should be banned before he strikes again!!!!!

okay how many times have you heard him say that he is claiming the insurance? me lots of times. Is he actaully doing that? NO! how do I know? Because Keith says he has lost the orig. recipt for the insurance, and you need that to claim the insurance, yet another lie he brushed off when I confronted him with it, well there have been so many of these lies and incositancys on Keiths part that I have lost count of them, same thank happened with you guys!

FOR THE LAST TIME! I wasnt banned for ripping, Im not on the confirmed bad traders list, in fact if I had had 2 less negative Karma I would still have been able to trade under my old name. what did I get the other negative karma for? well excesive upping of a post, and one use of swearing! thats it, then I got the last one for failing to simul send with you guys, and its a good thing I didnt, I mean how hard would it have been for me to prove that you actually sent me that Junk? Luckly I though of fingerprints on the cards, and you guys are not sure if there on there or not. Also you want to talk about sueing if I had the money I would sue you for harrasing me! I can get the card fingerprinted I dont think anyone would need to see anymore prove then that that you sent me that card, of course you could keep changing your story like you did on the bta post I made for you. thats not hypocritical, casue you even used that word wrong, I mean if you want to know what it really means I will tell you, If you want to make sure Im right you can check webster's dictonary

hyp-o-crite: a person who PRETENDS to be what he is not (like Keith pretending to be a nice guy in all his Im's, and like celkboa pretending to be innocent); one who pretneds to be better then he really is, or to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so

if you knew what the word orginated from you would better understand, its rooted in ipocrite or hypocrita which is a stage actor

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Originally posted by dissonance:
Who cares if thats not the definition of a hypocrite?

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I just though you guys might want to know that yet again you where wrong.

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Originally posted by dissonance:
You're a liar with no morals. You lie about clkedboa and me; you lie about KaosNMU.

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No I didnt lie, you say I lied. Keith says Im lying, yet he has no proof, and what you guys seem to not be able to get is that if Keith really had proof all he would have to do to prove if I got it or not would be to take the receipt down to the post office, and tell them to track the package.
KEITH LIES, how many times has he said he was claiming the insurance? many many times, how many times has he said he has lost the original receipt? Lots of times. Now your wondering what this adds up to right? well It means that Keith couldnt be claiming the insruace, becasue even if the postal worker didnt tell him that he has no point in insuring a certified mail package for $200, Im sure they would tell him that he cant claim the insruance if he dosent have the original reciept!

You dont even know the meaning of the word moral, I bet you couldnt give a satifing response to what moral means if your life depended on it!
moral is: knowing and being able to destingish right from wrong (something you have a short comming in); moral is: realating to the teaching of right and wrong(something you could never do); Moral is: good or right in charater, or conduct (you are neither good or right about anything, yes I have not had a completly moral conduct in relation to Keith, but he has ****ed me off, the hight and mighty arrogent *** , but you know its still not my place to judge); Morals are: principals or standards, or habits, with the respect of right or wrong.

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Originally posted by dissonance:
And if you say KAOS shouldn't have the right to post you as a ripper, you are completely without morals, because that's exactly what you did to us.

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yes I did post you as a ripper, I ment to post you as a bad trader, becasue you didnt respond to me, and I saw you online, but if it was ripper then whatever.
and if you want to try to stand on the moral high ground, first you have to prove your right, other wise your words are empty. You do know I can sue your for harrasing me? I think about it sometimes, it would really be worth it. you would of course stop harrasing me after that wouldnt you? Say all you want about that I still ahve the proof that you sent me the cards you say you didnt. In fact I was reading over the old aim text messages that I still have saved, you (Celkboa, ib5kauna on aim) told me that he was 100% sure he didnt send foils lands to me becasue he pulled each and everyone of those foils out of his binder, and dosent keep foil basic lands in his binder. Then when I talked about fingerprinting, there story all of the sudden shifted to them saying that they had foil lands in the deal, and in fact sent me the exact same amount that was there, That way I couldnt use any finger prints on the foil lands. Its still okay though becasue I still ahve the other foils to get fingerprints off of....

are you guy positive you didnt touch them? wanna try sueing me? see what happens? If not lay off me!

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Originally posted by dissonance:
Oh and do you think you should be above the rules of MOTL?? You were banned completely fairly and now you make another name just to rip people? That's BS and you deserve to have your IP banned from the site.

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Look I know your mad that you actually paid for the insruance and stuff, and still didnt rip me off, but thats your problem if you think that entitles you to harrass me everyday for the rest of your short misserable life. Get over if have a life, maybe get laid, you know the stuff that matters more then cards, which by the way with the failing economy with be worth nothing in a short as 2-3 years. Game might hang on for a year at the price values its at now, but it wont last 2 at the same value, and in as soon as three they will probley have stoped printing the cards, and the value on the cards will drop to almost nothing.

Oh one other word, Keith a long time ago posted a question, it was "who loses two moxen?"

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Originally posted by MagicJunkie82:
You dont even know the meaning of the word moral, I bet you couldnt give a satifing response to what moral means if your life depended on it!

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moral is: knowing and being able to destingish right from wrong (something you have a short comming in); moral is: realating to the teaching of right and wrong(something you could never do); Moral is: good or right in charater, or conduct

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yes I did post you as a ripper, I ment to post you as a bad trader, becasue you didnt respond to me, and I saw you online, but if it was ripper then whatever.

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You do know I can sue your for harrasing me? I think about it sometimes, it would really be worth it. you would of course stop harrasing me after that wouldnt you?

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are you guy positive you didnt touch them? wanna try sueing me? see what happens? If not lay off me!

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Get over if have a life, maybe get laid you know the stuff that matters more then cards

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Becasue of a mess up down at meps I will not be leaving Oct 18 like I had thought I would be, I faild my hearing test, (temporary thing, just happened to be when I went to meps) so I lost the job I had and was forced to pick another, so I will not be leaving until around march.

I recived a letter the other day about my mail fraud complaint, there was a copy mailed to Keith also, (he claims not to have gotten it). But the letter tells me that there was one mailed to him. since I had a little talk with him and he was such an ***

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Org. said by Keith "loser man" Hagerty:
Gumppa99: so you got the letter right?
KaosNMU: What letter?
KaosNMU: I have gotten no letter
Gumppa99: talk to your father, it was mailed to the address that you riped me off from
KaosNMU: I am calling the police
KaosNMU: you probably put anthrax in it
Gumppa99: I got mine a few days ago, it pretty much tells you, you have 45 days to settle this before I am to mail my copy back with the form on the back filled out
Gumppa99: since I never touched it you can feel free to do that all you want
KaosNMU: Well, I have not recieved any letters
Gumppa99: okay then, since I know its not going to be settled im just waiting the 45 days then I will send in what im supposed to
KaosNMU: And I know you have my cards, I have talked to ppl you shared info with
Gumppa99: cards??!?!?! ---- what are you talking about? you where supposed to send me one card! a mox jet.....
KaosNMU: Same difference wise guy
Gumppa99: an UNLIMITED MOX JET, yes I have told people I have a mox jet, becasue I do, its beta, not quite mint but I will find a mint one
KaosNMU: You have mine, and you know it
KaosNMU: so whatever man, I have talked to ppl that know
KaosNMU: so keep up your story tough guy, go back to the army
Gumppa99: yeah sure Keith, sure, and its not the army.
KaosNMU: Your a pain in everyones neck, and your doing it for fun, not because anything is actually wrong.
KaosNMU: Your right, you are probably in the Navy.. More suitable for your attitude
Gumppa99: no see thats your buddys, I see that they finnaly got board trying to rip me off, they havent contacted me in a while
Gumppa99: you have something against the Navy?
KaosNMU: No, everyone thought you finally quit trying to rip me and those other kids off.. So the left it alone, guess what, fungus dont die it just becomes dormant.. SO welcome back you friggin pain
Gumppa99: not that I joined the navy either
Gumppa99: ha, I bet if there was a draft you would run away to mexico!

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so I dont belive it will be settled in the 45 days the asked me to wait

what I am to do after that is to fill out the back and send it in the envelope they provided and send it back to them, with any additional comments attached.

I do hope you guys dont think I was actually going to drop it.

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:18:13 -0700
Subject: Regarding Keith Hagerty.....
From: "Punch My face" <faer@onebox.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: magicjunkie82@yahoo.com

I know keith, and I know he never sent you the mox Jet, how? because
he just traded it to me last Sunday at a local Draft. I just recently
read the series of posts on Magictraders.com, and boy was I suprised
to find that one of my better friends is a dirty bastard. I brought
this
up to him and he said "dont beleive what anyone else said they are all
liars." I then asked him how many mox jets hes had he said "just one"
I then pointed out to him that if hes only ever had 1 mox jet and hes
just traded it to me that its not possible that he got one ripped from
him.
The point of all this is he traded me the mox real cheap (beat up old
duals and force of wills) and if you still need it I will trade it
fairly
cheap.
LMK

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I ate Marco Polos corpse Yesterday

The fact is that James Elliott (MagicJunkie82, Manaman70) did indeed get a mox in ex+/nm- condition. When this entire ordeal started with James I had 3 Mox Jets, 1xBEAT, 1xEx+/nm-, and my Beta on in Nm. I sent james the Ex+/nm- one and that was that. Then like 5 months later or something I traded the BEAT one to my supposed friend Dane, but for some reason he decided that I must only have 1?? I told him that I have more than one, and I have no idea why he would say that other than to get some trade off of James? The fact is, I started with 3xMox Jets, and now have 1. If you do the subtraction that is 1 to James, and 1 to Dane. That makes no sense that he claims that he "knows I never sent" because for one thing he could never know anything, and for another I still have a Mox Jet!! So how could I only have 1 as he says, and trade it to him, and still have another? Grrr, this whole thing is ridiculous, I didnt rip anyone and I am voluntarily quitting MOTL, as it is simply an easy way for people like James to put unecessary stress on people like me. This is to easy of a medium for people to rip others off, and James has proven that. If a moderator reads this soon, please remove me from your member list, this whole situation is completely a hoax, and I dont feel like defending myself any further when nothing new is being said.

Thanks to all those that have traded with me sucessfully, as you all know that I am a very good trader and honest one.

I went over to Ian's house (faer@onebox.net) and asked him about the email that he supposedly wrote and I figured out a few different things.

1. James did not "recieve that email", it was a reply to James writing Ian because he lives in the same town as me.

2. Ian stated that the email posted on here by James was significantly altered in several ways, to the extent that it was in fact almsot completely false.

3. Ian said he will post his statement on here when he gets a chance.

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:18:13 -0700
Subject: Regarding Keith Hagerty.....
From: James Elliot <magicjunkie82@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: faer@onebox.com

I see you live in Marquette, MI, do you know Keith
Hagerty? He ripped me off for a
mox jet. If hes ever talked to you about this I am gathering evidence for a mail fraud claim, and any help
would be appreciated.
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Here is the real reply I sent him:

Message Saved: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:24:19 -0600
Subject: Re :Regarding Keith Hagerty.....
To: magicjunkie82@yahoo.com

Im aware of the on-going problems you are having with keith, But I also know that Keith is a honest individual,
and actually comes across kind of innocent at times, I doubt hes ever even stolen a candy bar, and from looking at his refrence rating on both ebay and motl I think its fairly obvious your claim is illegitement
Anyone who knows keith knows he has 3-4 mox jets and that it would make no sense for him to rip you off.
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I see now that even replying to you (magicjunkie) was a huge mistake (that may cost me a friendship) and that you truly are a worthless ****.

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Originally posted by gorgo:

here is the email I recieved from magicjunkie:

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:18:13 -0700
Subject: Regarding Keith Hagerty.....
From: James Elliot <magicjunkie82@yahoo.com> | Block Address | Add to Address Book
To: faer@onebox.com

I see you live in Marquette, MI, do you know Keith
Hagerty? He ripped me off for a
mox jet. If hes ever talked to you about this I am gathering evidence for a mail fraud claim, and any help
would be appreciated.
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Here is the real reply I sent him:

Message Saved: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:24:19 -0600
Subject: Re :Regarding Keith Hagerty.....
To: magicjunkie82@yahoo.com

Im aware of the on-going problems you are having with keith, But I also know that Keith is a honest individual,
and actually comes across kind of innocent at times, I doubt hes ever even stolen a candy bar, and from looking at his refrence rating on both ebay and motl I think its fairly obvious your claim is illegitement
Anyone who knows keith knows he has 3-4 mox jets and that it would make no sense for him to rip you off.
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Just so that you know, the outgoing signature on messages I send on my account for MagicJunkie82@yahoo.com is James Elliott. anyone with a little brains would realize that I would not spell my own name wrong on the email....

If you want to know what im getting at I think you should see that the email post here was the real forgery, it took me a while to catch that mistake, sorry.