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Topic: Ripper: Daniel Vera, roca_60@hotmail.com
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elvish_fiddler
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posted August 17, 2001 10:49 PM
      
We agreed on a trade and I said I would send first. I sent him the cards on July 20, and I never received any cards. I emailed him several times in the interval asking if he received and I posted on his H/W yesterday and still no response. Please keep in mind that he lives only about 100 miles away from me, so mail shouldn't take that long.
Evidence of trade:From: "dan" <dbutler1@rochester.rr.com>
To: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:08:51 -0400 We were supposed to do the following trade:
My
1 Opposition
1 Void
1 Static Orb (TE)
for your:
2 Absorb
I was wondering if you ever got my cards and if you sent me the Absorbs.
This is the third email I've sent you in the last week. If you don't reply to this email within 48 hours, I'm reporting you to the BAD TRADERS BOARD. From: "dan" <dbutler1@rochester.rr.com>
To: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:18:07 -0400 Its been more than 2 weeks and I haven't recieved your cards yet. Are you
ripping me, are there mail problems, or did you just forget to send?
From: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
To: dbutler1@rochester.rr.com
Subject: Re: MOTL
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:13:03 -0400
Daniel V.
6 glamorgan ave apt 310
M1P 2M7
toronto, ont.
Canada From: "dan" <dbutler1@rochester.rr.com>
To: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MOTL
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:17:06 -0400 I have 2 refs, you have 11 so I guess I will send first. Send me your
address so I can send the cards. From: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
To: dbutler1@rochester.rr.com
Subject: Re: MOTL
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:03:59 -0400 ok that will do how much refs do u have so u can chack how sends first
From: "dan" <dbutler1@rochester.rr.com>
To: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
Subject: MOTL
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:00:30 -0400
You posted:
i have 4x absorb i want 1x Opposition 1x Skizzik 1x Void 1x Static Orb
please e-mail me at roca_60@hotmail.com I already traded my Skizzik, but I would do the following trade: My
1 Opposition
1 Void
1 Static Orb (TE)
for
2 Absorb LMK or counter
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wayne
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posted August 18, 2001 07:31 AM
E-mailed him
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reaman4ever
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posted August 19, 2001 06:08 PM
i got ripped by him too. here is the email conversations.
Subj: Re: thats_a_deal
Date: 07/30/2001 4:00:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: roca_60@hotmail.com (Daniel Vera)
To: Reaman4ever@aol.com well sorry!!!!! since u had less refs then me u have to send first so i am
waiting for ur cards to come!!!!!
>From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
>To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:52:13 EDT
>
>what are you saying i had to send first?????read the bottom of this meesege
>u agreed to a simu-send, and u said u already sent them. ur full of it. if
>i dont get the cards by next monday i am emailing everyone on your post and
>i will respond to ur post with a meesege that says u r a ripper!
>
>In a message dated Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> > u had to send first and i still didn't get ur cards!!!!!!!!
> >
> > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:03:20 EDT
> > >
> > >it's been 2 weeks. it should have taken 5 days, i dont believe that u
> > >havent gotten my cards yet, and i dont believe that u sent my cards 2
>weeks
> > >ago. if i dont have my cards by next monday night, i will email the
>people
> > >on your have/want list telling them that you haven't completed a deal
>and
> > >that they should wait. if i recieve the cards after that i will
>apoligize
> > >to them and say it was a mistake.
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated Sun, 29 Jul 2001 9:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ok i will e-mail u when i get ur cards thanks
> > > >
> > > > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:18:52 EDT
> > > > >
> > > > >its been 2 weeks. if u didnt get my cards yet y wouldnt u ask me
>about
> > >it?
> > > > >it takes about 5 days to ship from usa to canada and visa versa.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >In a message dated Sun, 29 Jul 2001 5:28:35 PM Eastern Daylight
>Time,
> > > > >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i didn't get ur cards yet
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > > > >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 12:51:06 EDT
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >when did u send them? and y havent u told me u got my cards
>yet?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In a message dated Sun, 29 Jul 2001 9:42:42 AM Eastern
>Daylight
> > >Time,
> > > > > > >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i sent my cards!!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > > > > > >To: roca_60@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:03:15 EDT
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >hi, u were supposed to do a simu send with me on july 16. i
> > >have
> > > > >not
> > > > > > > > >recieved
> > > > > > > > >the cards (battlefield forge and teferi's puzzlebox) and it
>has
> > > > >been
> > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >2
> > > > > > > > >weeks so unless i get a reply explaining your latenss by
>sunday
> > > > >night,
> > > > > > >i
> > > > > > > > >will
> > > > > > > > >email everyone on your post saying that u have not copleted
>a
> > >deal
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >they shouldnt trade with you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i throwin 2 of each. sorry about the delay.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> i need merfolk of the pearl trident, darting merfolk
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > > > > > > >> >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > > > > > > >> >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:32:08 EDT
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >actually forget that last messege. i will send
>tonight.
> > >sorry
> > > > >for
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >one
> > > > > > > > > >> >day delay. do u need any t2 commans?
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >In a message dated Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:16:26 AM
>Eastern
> > > > >Daylight
> > > > > > >Time,
> > > > > > > > > >> >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > ya i did u???
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:52:48 EDT
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >did u send yet?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >In a message dated Wed, 18 Jul 2001 6:51:35 PM
> > >Eastern
> > > > > > >Daylight
> > > > > > > > >Time,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Daniel Vera
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > 6 Glamorgan Ave. Apt.310
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > M1P 2M7
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Toronto, Ont.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Canada
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:43:18 EDT
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >uhh to do a simusend today u have to give me
>your
> > > > >adres.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >In a message dated Tue, 17 Jul 2001 9:38:56
>PM
> > > > >Eastern
> > > > > > > > >Daylight
> > > > > > > > > >> >Time,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ya!!!
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >From: Reaman4ever@aol.com
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >To: <roca_60@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: thats_a_deal
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:25:30 EDT
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >yea simusend sounds good. could u simusend
> > > > >tomorow? my
> > > > > > > > >adres
> > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >aryeh gielchinsky
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >1056 coolidge rd
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >elizabeth nj
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >07208
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >whats ur adres?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >In a message dated Tue, 17 Jul 2001
>6:02:59
> > >PM
> > > > > > >Eastern
> > > > > > > > > >> >Daylight
> > > > > > > > > >> > > >Time,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >"Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
>writes:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > u said: my static orb and teferi's
>response
> > >for
> > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > >> >battlefield
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >forge
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > teferi's puzzlebox. ok i guess its a
>simual
> > > > >send
> > > > > > >since
> > > > > > > > >we
> > > > > > > > > >> >have a
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >were
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >close
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nocrod
New Member
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posted August 20, 2001 10:01 AM
This is the email conversation daniel and i had:ok i will e-mail u when i get them ok later!!!
From: "William Grimes" <nocrod@hotmail.com>
To: roca_60@hotmail.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:23:32 -0600
Ya, My dad is taking them to the post office right now
From: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
To: nocrod@hotmail.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:16:40 -0400
ya i will r u sending first???
From: "William Grimes" <nocrod@hotmail.com>
To: roca_60@hotmail.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:15:40 -0600
will you emial me when the cards come so I know they got there?
From: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
To: nocrod@hotmail.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:11:07 -0400
i will take like 2-5 weeks if not the mail man ****ed up because theres like there is 6 places called glamorgan after that i will have to check all other 6 buildings
From: "William Grimes" <nocrod@hotmail.com>
To: roca_60@hotmail.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:52:15 -0600 OK, I am sending today, how long do you think it will take?
From: "Daniel Vera" <roca_60@hotmail.com>
To: nocrod@hotmail.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:29:13 -0400
ya ok i will do that trade
From: "William Grimes" <nocrod@hotmail.com>
To: roca_60@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:39:29 -0600
hey me again I was looking at your h/w list again and I was wondering if you would do this trade instead My:
1 foil spiritmonger
1 birds of paradise
1 skissk
1 opposition
1 foil implode
1 foil rith's attendant
1 foil ancient spring Your:
4 Absorb
2 Undermine I will send first because I have less refs, you better send, though, or I will hunt you down for mail fraud.
email me back with your answer asap
Daniel vera never sent his cards and just stoped replying to my email
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elvish_fiddler
Member
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posted August 23, 2001 10:02 AM
Did anyone hear back from him at all since this post?
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reaman4ever
Member
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posted August 23, 2001 10:19 AM
nope still havent heard from him. hey moderater why isnt he banned yet?
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wayne
Member
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posted August 27, 2001 11:30 AM
He has not been banned yet for a simple reason, getting members' cards back is very important to us.
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IQuu
Member
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posted August 27, 2001 10:27 PM
He offered me 4x BoP for my 4x Undermine. Fortunetaly I refused because he had only refs for small trades. Pay attention to this small detail in the future too.In the last e-mail he said "if u dont believe me then ask my refs????". Of course they would say he's good trader, since their trade didn't go wrong. That's just the way how rippers work; first gathering many refs with small trades and then trading with members with much lower refs. By the way moderator, is there a chance to get the cards back for the members? Take care everybody.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by IQuu on August 27, 2001]
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Motumbo
Member
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posted August 29, 2001 12:29 PM
 
Yup. I can confim it as well. This little %*%#$ ripped me too. If I lived only 100 miles away i would drive to his house. That's what I have to say about that. __________________
- Motumbo -
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Thiff
Banned
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posted August 29, 2001 07:46 PM
He ripped me too!!! I lose 4 morphling in this trade!!
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Scent Of Hate
Banned
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posted August 29, 2001 08:57 PM
if this dude jacked my undermine,ill seriously one day kick his *** ,i go to that ****hole they call canada and beat him until his mom begs me to stop. then ill beat her *** too. dumb bitch, why not just trade fair. i hope this dude's family dies in a car accident or his mom get aids or ebola.
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Scent Of Hate
Banned
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posted August 29, 2001 08:58 PM
what is emailing him gonna do?
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Scent Of Hate
Banned
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posted August 29, 2001 09:00 PM
how do u file mail fraud?
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reaman4ever
Member
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posted August 30, 2001 10:14 AM
does anyone know a site that could be used to find his phone number?(anywho doesnt work in canada)
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wayne
Member
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posted September 08, 2001 12:43 AM
E-mailed him again, has anyone received anything? Regarding mail fraud, you'll have to enquire at your local Post Office.
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IQuu
Member
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posted September 08, 2001 01:13 AM
Sorry Moderator,But you think too easy about rippers. You'll never ever get those cards back! And Post Offices can't do anything serious unless the mail is registered.
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WeedIan
Member
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posted September 08, 2001 07:14 AM
Canada411.comthat's the way to get phone numbers for Canadians. __________________
My Have Want listStar Wars list
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wayne
Member
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posted September 15, 2001 02:00 AM
E-mailed him again.
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wayne
Member
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posted September 25, 2001 02:18 PM
Sent him a final warning...
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wayne
Member
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posted October 06, 2001 09:03 AM
Placed him on the Confirmed Bad Traders list.
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