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Topic: why duals are losing value
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RyKerZ
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posted July 29, 2010 10:50 AM
       
Why are dual lands suddenly dropping in value? Is it because legacy is dying?
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nderdog
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posted July 29, 2010 10:52 AM
 
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Myysterio
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posted July 29, 2010 11:00 AM
Looks like normal price fluctuation to me.http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Bayou http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Volcanic+Island http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Badlands http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Taiga http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Tropical+Island http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Underground+Sea http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Savannah I'm sure there recent explosion of price will even out in the long run.
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RyKerZ
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posted July 29, 2010 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Myysterio:
Looks like normal price fluctuation to me.http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Bayou http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Volcanic+Island http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Badlands http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Taiga http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Tropical+Island http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Underground+Sea http://apathyhouse.com/pricelist/pricelist.php?exact=1&card=Savannah I'm sure there recent explosion of price will even out in the long run.
so are they projected to increase in price any time soon? or decrease? reason I ask is because I recently purchased a collection, assuming that the dual lands included would retain their value.
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Myysterio
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posted July 29, 2010 11:40 AM
they will gain value eventually regardless. Just keep em until they are worth more. I purchased mine for less than $20 a piece about 4 years ago.
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sdematt
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posted July 29, 2010 11:58 AM
They're cooling off, they're not dropping. By cooling off, I mean prices are stabilizing. NM Seas aren't $90, they never were, but some people inflated their prices thinking they were worth that much, causing the "thought of" value of a sea to be that much. Of course, everyone realized this is garbage, and so, the prices are settling to values they were actually selling at. What I'm trying to say is, people were selling some duals are wickedly high prices, but I guess everyone finally realized that they're not actually as expensive as some people were selling them at.-MAtt
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Markers
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posted July 29, 2010 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by sdematt:
They're cooling off, they're not dropping. By cooling off, I mean prices are stabilizing. NM Seas aren't $90, they never were, but some people inflated their prices thinking they were worth that much, causing the "thought of" value of a sea to be that much. Of course, everyone realized this is garbage, and so, the prices are settling to values they were actually selling at. What I'm trying to say is, people were selling some duals are wickedly high prices, but I guess everyone finally realized that they're not actually as expensive as some people were selling them at.-MAtt
It's summer time. People don't want to spent so much on cards (no big tourney's here in Europe for example). We will certainly see a rise at the end of the year when the new legacy tournaments for 2011 show up (as it did with Madrid this year)... __________________
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Zakman86
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posted July 29, 2010 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Markers:
It's summer time. People don't want to spent so much on cards (no big tourney's here in Europe for example). We will certainly see a rise at the end of the year when the new legacy tournaments for 2011 show up (as it did with Madrid this year)...
Except that GP Columbus is this weekend, so your theory's shot. It's just the prices settling to what they should be.
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oneofchaos
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posted July 29, 2010 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Zakman86:
Except that GP Columbus is this weekend, so your theory's shot.It's just the prices settling to what they should be.
They'll only go up again.
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Markers
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posted July 29, 2010 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Zakman86:
Except that GP Columbus is this weekend, so your theory's shot.It's just the prices settling to what they should be.
I always hear that Legacy is bigger in Europe than the States (Italian / German and French duals). Could that be the reason?
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RyKerZ
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posted July 29, 2010 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
They'll only go up again.
this true?
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Markers
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posted July 29, 2010 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by RyKerZ:
this true?
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Zakman86
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posted July 29, 2010 12:32 PM
The market can't support them going much higher. That's why they've been steady for the past 4-5 months or so. So no, there really isn't only one way to go... I would expect the market to stay stable until there's another huge influx of players into the game.
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted July 29, 2010 03:36 PM
Prices have dropped at least $5-10+ per dual from their peak. It's called a correction. Overheated market, prices shot up, and now they're dropping back down. Ultimately there's still a huge supply of these, and most of those who want them have them already. No, they're not "cooling off," they have substantially dropped in the last month or so. Go to Apathyhouse and look at the graphs.__________________
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riemann-zeta
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posted July 29, 2010 06:30 PM
i haven't noticed much of a change in the "bad" duals (ie the cheap ones)..as for the expensive (blue) ones, sea seems to have dropped the most but this doesn't seem too surprising since mystical got the ax and 2 of the biggest legacy decks using sea got neutered. tropical saw an increase b/c countertop w/ goyf was popular and ppl were starting to splash goyf in merfolk (now a lot of lists are going back to mono-U). i think after the bannings the metagame shifted and ppl aren't quite sure what the best deck or decks are at the moment. you can check out the results at the scg events and see that the decks are a bit all over the place. duals are good, thats a given..but their prices will be driven by their place in the metagame, not that they're good in a vacuum...just my 2 cents.
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PriestsofGix
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posted July 29, 2010 07:18 PM
So what do you guys think is in store for the duals over the next few years? WotC is clearly trying to push people away from legacy - this is a big reason for legacy staples to potentially plateau or decline a bit. On the other hand, duals and etc have always historically appreciated well, with the exception of the recent decline.
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oneofchaos
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posted July 29, 2010 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by PriestsofGix:
So what do you guys think is in store for the duals over the next few years? WotC is clearly trying to push people away from legacy - this is a big reason for legacy staples to potentially plateau or decline a bit. On the other hand, duals and etc have always historically appreciated well, with the exception of the recent decline.
They will go back up. There is only a finite amount of duals, and as more people play the demand gets higher. So there has not been a legacy tournament in a month or so, they dropped in price when SCG wasn't hosting anything. I'm sure they will remain stable at the least or go up after GP Columbus.
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Mr.C
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posted July 29, 2010 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
They will go back up. There is only a finite amount of duals, and as more people play the demand gets higher. So there has not been a legacy tournament in a month or so, they dropped in price when SCG wasn't hosting anything. I'm sure they will remain stable at the least or go up after GP Columbus.
However, if prices of Legacy rise to an unsustainable level, demand plateaus.
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted July 29, 2010 09:55 PM
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oneofchaos
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posted July 29, 2010 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
However, if prices of Legacy rise to an unsustainable level, demand plateaus.
Why's that? Think about it this way. Throughout the history of magic, if you asked somebody if duals would go up/down/stable the answer was always stable or constant. They have continued to climb albeit slower at times. This wasn't even a year of duals losing value, just a month. The sky is not falling.
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Mr.C
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posted July 29, 2010 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Why's that?Think about it this way. Throughout the history of magic, if you asked somebody if duals would go up/down/stable the answer was always stable or constant. They have continued to climb albeit slower at times. This wasn't even a year of duals losing value, just a month. The sky is not falling.
Last four months or so they have been stable. That hasn;t happened in like 5 years.
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sdematt
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posted July 29, 2010 10:17 PM
Eventually, as time approaches infinite, duals will still be increasing. We've reached a horizontal asymptote with regards to the prices, they're not breaking the records they once were. Ex. Bayous were $25 in November, now they're $35. Will they go up again? Yes, eventually. If you were looking to cash in on your dual investment, you should've sold 3 months ago.-Matt
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Pippincro
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posted July 29, 2010 11:25 PM
Well the main premise of duals price rise is that everything remains the same in future - no new format, same amount (or greater) support from wizards in form of GPs, SCG legacy 5k's throughout the year, etc...
However, if Legacy gets the axe (wotc stated themselves they want to pull people from that format), SCG shifts to lets say standard and extended instead of standard and legacy... who knows what may happen to prices
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Markers
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posted July 30, 2010 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by Pippincro:
However, if Legacy gets the axe (wotc stated themselves they want to pull people from that format), SCG shifts to lets say standard and extended instead of standard and legacy... who knows what may happen to prices
Where did WOTC say they axe Legacy or want move people away? Never heard of that. And why should SCG move to the most common format there is? __________________
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Thanos
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posted July 30, 2010 05:28 AM
If that were to happen, why wouldn't SCG just take Legacy over themselves?
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