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drizzt_2004
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So as the topic says what does everyone think the new Jace will end up being?

Will it continue to go up as the hype on it being new continues? Or will it just drop like a rock?

I think it depends on whether he finds a home in a good Standard / Extended deck. If he does find a home what will his value be?

 
Thanos
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It'll drop and settle around $20.
 
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I am very firm that this card's value will drop to the range of value which Thanos stated earlier. Why those players are pretty hype on this card?
 
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I will add that it will in most cases replace the original Jace in control decks.
 
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I agree that it will likely drop, but I can't imagine it selling for less than Elspeth.

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I think $15-20 without decks and $30+ if there are a few decks that use him. If many decks use him, it will be $40-50.

Looking at WW, I think the number of packs opened will not be that many so supply of New Jace will be lower.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by MTDetermine on February 08, 2010]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
Looking at WW, I think the number of packs opened will not be that many so supply of New Jace will be lower.

Really, I thought the opposite, actually. I know the store where I buy my cards from ordered about 5x what it normally orders in terms of boxes to resell. They realize that Zendikar was a hugely popular set so they are going to try to sell the same quantity of Worldwake. I'm guessing a lot of people are going to try to bust WW hoping it's as profitable as Zendikar...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by coinmagic45:
Really, I thought the opposite, actually. I know the store where I buy my cards from ordered about 5x what it normally orders in terms of boxes to resell. They realize that Zendikar was a hugely popular set so they are going to try to sell the same quantity of Worldwake. I'm guessing a lot of people are going to try to bust WW hoping it's as profitable as Zendikar...

I doubt it. The feast for new fetches plus the hidden treasures of the first print run made Zendikar mad popular to crack. That's without even mentioning any of the other chase rares. I don't see that excitement over Worldwake.

 
martin74
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the new set is so small, therefore, the chance of opening jace is higher, even if he is a mythic. i have seen more jaces opened up just during pre release, release event, FNM draft, and boxes/packs opened. the local store here is not the biggest by any stretch, and i have seen more of the new jace than baneslayer angel opened up. I think he will bottom out about twenty to thirty.
 
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1 mythic every 8 packs = 4,5 mythics every display = 0,45 jace every display. So yea, I guess there are alot of jaces around
 
rmac
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Well Jace could be rare... based on the fact the rest of the set isn't very good. So not as many people will continue to open WW packs. Look at conflux, what is the best card in the set? (Path to Exile) It is valued higher than most rares in the set and is quite difficult to get people to trade them. This is because the set is lame. WW has more to offer than Conflux, but for a small set it could be deemed weak. You can argue Abyssal Per... but I say he is the next Obnixilis. I love Obixilis as a card, but just doesn't fit because there are too many ways to get around it. Also it is a one format card.

Is Jace in the same scope of Goyf or Slayer... nope. But he is a solid planeswalker. Look at Elspeth, she has held her value at 20-30 dollars for the past year. I would put Elspeth in the same category as Jace.

Will Jace maintain 50 dollars... HELL no. SCG or whatever site can hype him up. But in reality he will not maintain that value. Am I a hypocrit, did I purchase one for 40+, absolutely. Jace is a powerhouse that I needed a third.

I am a player and I want to be competitive with the field. White weenie is fine for FNM, but for the big events you need to pack some power and play control. What will be the best deck in the format shortly, Big Blue. It will rely on Jace controling the board for things you miss countering.

Just my two cents.

 
MTDetermine
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quote:
Originally posted by coinmagic45:
Really, I thought the opposite, actually. I know the store where I buy my cards from ordered about 5x what it normally orders in terms of boxes to resell. They realize that Zendikar was a hugely popular set so they are going to try to sell the same quantity of Worldwake. I'm guessing a lot of people are going to try to bust WW hoping it's as profitable as Zendikar...

A small shop owner I know drafted a few rounds of Worldwake (so he got an idea of what are rares like). Then he proceed to open 2 boxes of Worldwake. By the 2nd box, he told me he felt like crying and did not open a 3rd box. Now he is praying fervently that he can sell and draft enough Worldwake packs to cover the costs of buying them

The same owner opened like 30 boxes of Zendikar and drafted many more?

Like I said, this is a small shop that depends on other boardgames and collectible cards so his sale is not as much as most MTG shops. But 2 boxes of WW against 30 boxes of Zendikar gives you an idea of how much WW packs will be opened, relative to Zendikar.

 
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I opened 5 boxes or zen, I wanted 6. I drafted it a ton. WW I don't plan on opening any packs, and I'll draft for the love of draft, not WW. Any rare of value in this set could very well end up pithing needle or jitte status. Value is held only by the low supply.

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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
A small shop owner I know drafted a few rounds of Worldwake (so he got an idea of what are rares like). Then he proceed to open 2 boxes of Worldwake. By the 2nd box, he told me he felt like crying and did not open a 3rd box. Now he is praying fervently that he can sell and draft enough Worldwake packs to cover the costs of buying them

The same owner opened like 30 boxes of Zendikar and drafted many more?

Like I said, this is a small shop that depends on other boardgames and collectible cards so his sale is not as much as most MTG shops. But 2 boxes of WW against 30 boxes of Zendikar gives you an idea of how much WW packs will be opened, relative to Zendikar.



we cracked 2 cases of it and easily made money. There are plenty of rares that are currently $5ish and we moved a ton of it over release weekend

 
coinmagic45
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
A small shop owner I know drafted a few rounds of Worldwake (so he got an idea of what are rares like). Then he proceed to open 2 boxes of Worldwake. By the 2nd box, he told me he felt like crying and did not open a 3rd box. Now he is praying fervently that he can sell and draft enough Worldwake packs to cover the costs of buying them

The same owner opened like 30 boxes of Zendikar and drafted many more?

Like I said, this is a small shop that depends on other boardgames and collectible cards so his sale is not as much as most MTG shops. But 2 boxes of WW against 30 boxes of Zendikar gives you an idea of how much WW packs will be opened, relative to Zendikar.


That's pretty much the opposite as my local shop. Ours is the same that they do very little Magic business but lots of board games and comics and such. They did preorders for Zendikar and ran out, so they ordered more and ran out, and I think they had 4 or so orders of Zendikar boxes when all was said and done. This time, for Worldwake, they increased their preorder quantity from about 30 boxes to well over 100... I hope they don't get stuck with them all!

 
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We cracked an average of two jace for every case of english. Most had two but some had one or three. Japanese averaged 3 per case. Odd i know but it happens.
 
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The local store is selling these at I think $60. How is it good in Standard? Where is it used?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by sdematt on February 09, 2010]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by sdematt:
The local store is selling these at I think $60. How is it good in Standard? Where is it used?

Dude, WW has been in standard for what? Five days? Give it a little

 
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Originally posted by sdematt:
The local store is selling these at I think $60. How is it good in Standard? Where is it used?

Its the best thing ever, you should buy them all.

 
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talked to a local shop owner today and he brought up a pretty good point. due to jaces "mythic" status (much like elspeths) he probably won't dip below 30. even if its ran in 1-2 decks. however, if wizards were to stop trying to steal our paychecks and just make cards the way they used to (C, UC, R) you'd see jace at the usual 20$ slot. my advice to those that have pulled the new jace:

smoke em if you got em! (ok, sell them if you got em. it might be hard to smoke a card... )

 
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Originally posted by keeper_of_squirrels:
talked to a local shop owner today and he brought up a pretty good point. due to jaces "mythic" status (much like elspeths) he probably won't dip below 30. even if its ran in 1-2 decks. however, if wizards were to stop trying to steal our paychecks and just make cards the way they used to (C, UC, R) you'd see jace at the usual 20$ slot. my advice to those that have pulled the new jace:

smoke em if you got em! (ok, sell them if you got em. it might be hard to smoke a card... )


lol I think he told u that so he can sell them to you for $30+. elspeth is the only other example of a planeswalker being $30 or more- the rest are all also mythic rare but $10 or less.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by totalkaoz on February 09, 2010]

 
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Originally posted by totalkaoz:
lol I think he told u that so he can sell them to you for $30+. elspeth is the only other example of a planeswalker being $30 or more- the rest are all also mythic rare but $10 or less.

Yes, but jace is good, and at the very least on Elspeth's level of awesomeness.

 
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I certainly don't think that the new Jace will hold at $40+ but I still put it on the level of Elspeth. I don't think it's going to be played as a 4 of in most decks however, I am sure legacy and vintage will find a home for it so it's value will be $30+ for a long time with foils possibly being $100+. They may appear to be pretty common now but give it a few months for the next set to come out, people will most likely stop buying Worldwake.
 
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Originally posted by 98ViperGTS:
Yes, but jace is good, and at the very least on Elspeth's level of awesomeness.

Hmm do you mind explaining why Elspeth is a $30 card? Even though she is good, she feels more like a $15-20 card, especially since there isn't a tier 1 deck she's a staple in (occasionally fits in white weenie and some control decks).

 
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Originally posted by totalkaoz:
Hmm do you mind explaining why Elspeth is a $30 card? Even though she is good, she feels more like a $15-20 card, especially since there isn't a tier 1 deck she's a staple in (occasionally fits in white weenie and some control decks).

To go along with the decks you have mentioned I have seen her is Boros, Barely Boros, G/W aggro, G/W tokens, and Junk. I would say she is a 2-3 of staple in more decks then any other Planeswalker. She can come in block every turn or defense or make your guys bigger and send them over the top on offense. All while growing each time and coming in with a very hard to deal with 5 counters after her first use.

 

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