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OGB Member	posted February 02, 2010 04:49 AM In other news, channelfireball is selling Tarmogoyfs for $100 a pop!
Sillia Member	posted February 02, 2010 06:16 AM Why is Goyf so damn expensive all of a sudden? He was like $30-35 during extended season, but now he's jumped to $50+? --S
is it fact or fiction Member	posted February 02, 2010 06:17 AM SCG now has legacy tournys where goyf is the star player XD i got mine for 2x chameleon collossus, 2x mana barbs, and a pristine angel. the kid thought he ripped me off XD
JensK Member	posted February 02, 2010 06:21 AM How high does Tarmogoyf have to go before you can print money by buying Future Sight boxes? Noteworthy cards in Future Sight (MOTL prices): Akroma's Memorial $5 Bridge from Below $5 Grove of the Burnwillows $6 Korlash, Heir to Blackblade $4 Magus of the Moon $4 Pact of Negation $5 Sliver Legion $7 Tarmogoyf $51 Tombstalker $7 + various $1-$3 cards = $20 Total value = $114 There are 60 rares, 60 uncommons and 60 commons. The value pr. pack is $1.9 based on $1+ cards only. That's $68.4 for a display. Then you have plenty of value in the uncommons, commons and remaining rares. A few boxes ended at $80-$85 recently. It seems you need to pay $100+ or ~$3/pack if you wanna buy any.
Bruised Member	posted February 02, 2010 06:40 AM You can still find futuresight boxes for $90, the deal is you don't get paid out unless you hit your goyfs. Odds are in your favor as its a small set, but in general people who aren't buying in cases are not going to see a consistent return. EDIT: And even in a case you are only going to see 3.7~3.8 goyfs on average. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Bruised on February 02, 2010]
Jtrade77 Member	posted February 02, 2010 07:28 AM Future sight was NOT a small set, it was experimental with 180 cards, remember? 60 rares. Detailed calculation regarding future sight boxes from 2007, when this question was asked before. http://dignifieddevil.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/calculate-your-virtual-future-sight-box/ My conclusion based on this data is you hit a 'goyf 60% of the time, with about 9 rares in the box being worth $5 or more. Without the 'goyf you'll be losing about $40 per box though. How worth it is to buy large quantities for speculation depends on high tarmogoyf goes. Edit: The average case (6 boxes) will give 4 goyfs and approximately 50 'money' type rares. This means you are spending $540 (690) for the value of 4goyf + 250 (50*5 for the money rares, nine per box minus four). If 4 goyf is worth 290 or more, it is worth getting cases. That's cases plural, because I rounded up to that 4, it's really 3.8ish means about 20% of cases will only have 3 goyf. [Edited 2 times, lastly by Jtrade77 on February 02, 2010]
MagixDK Member	posted February 02, 2010 08:00 AM does foil factor in those calculations?
white_wolf Member	posted February 02, 2010 08:34 AM It seems to me to be an issue when we are paying $50 and up a pop for Cashlayers and they are currently standard legal. I never thought I'd see the day where we'd have multiple sets where there would be a $50+ worth card in standard format It will become a real problem when they start counterfitting these cards __________________ "Poole" Art Sage Owl count: 227 with 74 Signed and 6 Proofs Also trading for:Extinctions and IA/CS STP's Non Magic: Civillization (SNES), Old Hot Wheels Cars, Stargate SG1/SGA Figurines [Edited 1 times, lastly by white_wolf on February 02, 2010]
Havoc Demon Member	posted February 02, 2010 09:00 AM Buying those boxes wasn't smart when Future Sight was in Standard. I doubt that's changed much. __________________ AIM: Wings0298 Rares: 2305
TimeBeing Member	posted February 02, 2010 09:06 AM Going to ask here again anyone know why Mycosynth Golem isn't crap rare? is it played in affinity?
iccarus Member	posted February 02, 2010 09:11 AM quote: Originally posted by TimeBeing: Going to ask here again anyone know why Mycosynth Golem isn't crap rare? is it played in affinity? It's pretty hot in casual artifact-based decks. I've had some fun with it in Arcum/Sharum EDH builds. Golem + Lattice results in some fun stuff. As always, never disregard the impact of the casual market. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!
Omega Member	posted February 02, 2010 10:05 AM Wait Tarmogoyf 100$ How much are they truly? I have so many of them, and I don't play...
Tranderas Member	posted February 02, 2010 10:38 AM quote: Originally posted by Omega: Wait Tarmogoyf 100$ How much are they truly? I have so many of them, and I don't play... Save them for me for when i get a job, i'm building zoo with no income. MOTL has them at about $50 right now.
Vinceisg0d Member	posted February 02, 2010 11:08 AM Here's a quote from Ben from SCG on the Salvation forums, quote: FWIW, we're offering a $60 buy price on Tarmogoyf right now. When we were buying for $35 and selling for $60, we were selling out within minutes of putting any restock of Tarmogoyf into the system. I expect Tarmogoyf to hit triple-digits everywhere before Extended season is through. - Ben
Animosity Member	posted February 02, 2010 11:09 AM quote: Originally posted by Omega: Wait Tarmogoyf 100$ How much are they truly? I have so many of them, and I don't play... Looks like sets on ebay are going for around 250 looking at completed auctions
CubFan81 Member	posted February 02, 2010 09:35 PM quote: Originally posted by Havoc Demon: Buying those boxes wasn't smart when Future Sight was in Standard. I doubt that's changed much. Doesn't this fly in the face of the "Future Sight game"?
Michael French Member	posted February 02, 2010 09:36 PM At SSG FoW is now priced at $50 for NM. Their buy price is $25.00. I think one of the reasons Vintage never took off because of people were afraid of the prices... I hope that prices don't scare people away from legacy.
CoupDeGrace Member	posted February 02, 2010 10:31 PM quote: Originally posted by Omega: I have so many of them, and I don't play... Same as me too. I only manage to sell off playset and right now, i am keeping them at binders and box. Think those legacy players will be scared of their price soon or later.
dwiz Member	posted February 03, 2010 10:07 AM quote: Originally posted by Vinceisg0d: Here's a quote from Ben from SCG on the Salvation forums, [QUOTE]FWIW, we're offering a $60 buy price on Tarmogoyf right now. When we were buying for $35 and selling for $60, we were selling out within minutes of putting any restock of Tarmogoyf into the system. I expect Tarmogoyf to hit triple-digits everywhere before Extended season is through. - Ben [/QUOTE] So they are saying the price of Goyf is going to hit $100, so let's all rush out and sell them to SCG for a $40 loss! I had 3 boxes of FS sitting here, decided to go fishing for goyfs because I needed them. P1B1 Goyf. Move onto next box P8B2 Goyf, onto third box, P7B3 Goyf. Selling off the rest of the packs. I fully expected to open a complete box and not get a goyf in it though. They aren't going to be in every box.
Tristal Member	posted February 03, 2010 11:32 AM quote: Originally posted by Michael French: At SSG FoW is now priced at $50 for NM. Their buy price is $25.00. I think one of the reasons Vintage never took off because of people were afraid of the prices... I hope that prices don't scare people away from legacy. As long as it's supported by tournaments with large prize support, people will play it. VS. System is proof of that.
mm1983 Member	posted February 03, 2010 01:04 PM quote: Originally posted by Bruised: You can still find futuresight boxes for $90, the deal is you don't get paid out unless you hit your goyfs. Odds are in your favor as its a small set, but in general people who aren't buying in cases are not going to see a consistent return. EDIT: And even in a case you are only going to see 3.7~3.8 goyfs on average. Future Sight is definitely worth buying at $80 a box just for the chance of opening the Goyf. Problem is, there really aren't any good commons and uncommons to support further value of the set. As of right now Goyf and 2 or 3 other money rares will cover the cost of the box, otherwise you will be left with around 30 bulk rares and a couple hundred bulk commons and uncommons. If Goyf reaches triple digits, I'd expect booster boxes to become $100-120. [Edited 1 times, lastly by mm1983 on February 03, 2010]
rats60 Member	posted February 03, 2010 01:38 PM quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Future Sight is definitely worth buying at $80 a box just for the chance of opening the Goyf. Problem is, there really aren't any good commons and uncommons to support further value of the set. As of right now Goyf and 2 or 3 other money rares will cover the cost of the box, otherwise you will be left with around 30 bulk rares and a couple hundred bulk commons and uncommons. If Goyf reaches triple digits, I'd expect booster boxes to become $100-120. I know dealers that are paying 90.00+ right now. Boxes are already 120.00 and they will go higher if Tarmogoyf goes higher. It is not worth it to open boxes, but people will pay 5.00/pack to try to pull a 60.00+ card.
Ruiner Member	posted February 03, 2010 02:00 PM Why is Dark Confidant only $10 give or take? I mean I have got a list...but this guy just confuses me supremely. He is half of everyone's favourite card, see's a fair bit of play in extended, and quite a lot of play in Legacy. Perhaps he is due for a boom due to the Legacy buzz, but really..why is this guy only $10 =/
Reliquium Member	posted February 03, 2010 02:15 PM quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Future Sight is definitely worth buying at $80 a box just for the chance of opening the Goyf. Problem is, there really aren't any good commons and uncommons to support further value of the set. As of right now Goyf and 2 or 3 other money rares will cover the cost of the box, otherwise you will be left with around 30 bulk rares and a couple hundred bulk commons and uncommons. If Goyf reaches triple digits, I'd expect booster boxes to become $100-120. Crap, are FS packs up that much now? I wanted to get some in trade when they were still $2 a pack, reason being that there are so many unique and downright cool cards in the set, even if most of them are pretty worthless in terms of value right now. I have a hunch, though, that as time goes by and new sets are released, at least a few of these "crap rares" will suddenly find a home in competitive decks. I could be dead wrong, but given the range of cards with unique mechanics that don't currently have a synergy with any other cards, I think it's a safe bet that, eventually, a handful of them will suddenly become extremely useful in future. Actually, hasn't this alreqady happened a couple of times? In a nutshell, I feel that the chance of pulling a Goyf or a couple of Tombstalkers isn't the be-all and end-all of picking up some Future Sight. But that opinion may be a bit coloured due to the fact that I'm largely a Collector, and I find the set so freakin' cool. (And I absolutely love the alternate frames.)
sdematt Member	posted February 03, 2010 05:48 PM I think all these prices increases are giving me an ulcer.

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