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rats60 Member	posted February 20, 2010 02:00 PM quote: Originally posted by Reliquium: Alright, is it still a good time to buy FOWs (if you can find them)? Where's the ceiling on these? I remember thinking I should pick some up when they were $18/20, thinking $100 Drains were just as useful (if in a very different way, and I'm no expert). Then when they were $30+, thought I'd better get some, but decided ZEN packs were more important (I may have suffered a small stroke during that brainwave). Opinions on what'll be happening to the price of these from here on out? My luck, I'll pick up a set and Rise of the Eldrazi will come out with something to sink the price. Wait or not, guys? I don't think that they will be going down. If you wait, you risk paying more.
yukizora Member	posted February 20, 2010 02:09 PM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: head judge discretion. Judge at GP Oakland banned alters. No higher level judge will allow this, because it's not possible to see the original image of the card. This can lead to confusion. __________________ The Swiss Guy is there! Playing: T1.X Dark Zoo, T1.5 Tempo Tresh, T1 Control feat. Goyf
Reliquium Member	posted February 20, 2010 02:41 PM Wow, so does this bring altered cards plummeting to the floor? I don't own any, but I have some artistic background and was thinking of learning the craft. Or are alters mainly for collectors and non-tournies?
dwiz Member	posted February 20, 2010 02:45 PM quote: Originally posted by Reliquium: Wow, so does this bring altered cards plummeting to the floor? I don't own any, but I have some artistic background and was thinking of learning the craft. Or are alters mainly for collectors and non-tournies? I don't bring mine to tournaments. It's up to the judge and you may have to buy replacements day of if he isn't allowing them.
sdematt Member	posted February 20, 2010 06:27 PM It's better to show up with non-altered cards to big tournaments. If you're playing smaller tournaments, usually the leniency is quite a bit more. You definitely don't want to have to find extra copies game day, though. -Matt
thror Member	posted February 20, 2010 07:15 PM Have spares ready, ask a judge before you start. Very simple. In regards to the 'original image' being obscured. How many cards have printings with different artwork already? Are my M10 Lightning Bolts illegal because they don't have the Alpha artwork? Of course not. Are my DCI promo Cryptic Commands illegal because they have different art AND no text? No. Wotc needs to update+inform everyone of thier policy. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."
Reliquium Member	posted February 21, 2010 02:45 AM Excellent point. Worying about altered art being "confusing"--especially if it's not obscuring anything it shouldn't be--is silly beside having someone throw down a textless Cryptic. quote: Originally posted by thror: Are my DCI promo Cryptic Commands illegal because they have different art AND no text? No. Wotc needs to update+inform everyone of thier policy.
yukizora Member	posted February 21, 2010 03:09 AM quote: Originally posted by Reliquium: Excellent point. Worying about altered art being "confusing"--especially if it's not obscuring anything it shouldn't be--is silly beside having someone throw down a textless Cryptic. It's not silly. Every guideline clearly states it. A textless Cryptic Command is edited by WotC and is reckongnizable, because there are 1000's of it existing. But now, if you alter your sol ring into Juzam Djinn, it WILL lead to confusion. __________________ The Swiss Guy is there! Playing: T1.X Dark Zoo, T1.5 Tempo Tresh, T1 Control feat. Goyf
caquaa Member	posted February 21, 2010 04:07 AM it also depends if the judge wants to deal with it. Personally, if someone feels they have to bring it to my attention and think they might not get to play with it, then thats a good enough reason to not allow it to be played with. It just saves time. __________________ Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! Global basic Island collection needs your help! If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Reliquium Member	posted February 21, 2010 12:27 PM I just meant that someone's FOW with a happy face painted on might not be as confusing as a textless Cryptic hitting the table in some cases. People forget, misremember, get distracted, mix up one card with another...helps to have the rules right there so there's no disruptions. But of course it is and should be up to the descretion of the Judges what's allowed and what's not. And since I've not actually played outside of a few FNMs, I'll drop the point. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Reliquium on February 21, 2010]
-PoX- Member	posted February 21, 2010 02:02 PM You'd think it would matter less for something that's not a permanent though. But yeah it would get annoying casting a thoughtseize on some nimrod with a entire deck of foreign cards altered to look like X-Men. Confusing and AWESOME
coasterdude84 Member	posted February 21, 2010 02:12 PM I personally hate the textless cards. If they wanted to do some iconic cards like Giant Growth or Terror, that's fine, but when they do newer stuff like Flame Javelin or Cryptic, it's too confusing. I play Legacy and strictly Legacy, so I don't see these things all that regularly. Sure I know in principle what Condemn does, but do I gain life from the creature's Power or Toughness? It's annoying when I have to call a judge over to double check something that should be on the damn card.
Schwingzilla Member	posted February 21, 2010 03:02 PM I actually agree with coaster dude. As far as official extended art cards go, they should be the simple staples. The tipping point for me was with Fireball. Now, I understand Fireball perfectly well, but what about the people who don't remember it deals x damage, except when you pay one mana extra, except for the first target, oh and the damage dealt is divided evenly, not however you like, and it's also rounded down. Blaze is the better choice for textless. Lightning Bolt, it deals three damage. Counterspell, counters spells. If you can sum up a good card that easily, then and only then should it be extended. I got a couple of those extended art Urza's Factorys, where they have to write the text anyway because it was brand new, did two things, and would be completely forgotten the second it rotated out of type 2. Kind of defeats the purpose.
-PoX- Member	posted February 21, 2010 04:37 PM Maybe off topic but does anyone have any extended art Ice Cauldrons they're not using?
sdematt Member	posted February 21, 2010 05:39 PM Pox, i actually laughed a bit out loud there. I must have that card commissioned into an extended art for my friend Cube. That would be amazing :P -Matt
coasterdude84 Member	posted February 21, 2010 08:59 PM Ice Cauldron's good, but Takklemaggot would be better.
iliketrain Member	posted February 22, 2010 09:27 PM to be fair most people wants alters for their EDH or cube or something like that, or vintage? very rarely do people take altered cards to t2 or ext tournaments, so...just don't do it.
keeper_of_squirrels Member	posted February 24, 2010 08:53 PM so i guess trading my tarmagoyf for an elvish piper (the one with the new rebecca guay art on it) was a terrible choice... good thing it was when he was still 6$ though. i just went and bought 4 of em then traded back in when they reached 30$. i still hate tarmagoyf....
-PoX- Member	posted February 24, 2010 10:41 PM Haha I traded my unl time vault for some chronicles junk 6-7 years ago. It wasn't usable back then because of the errata.. DAMN YOU WIZARDS. I also had a grim tutor back then because it was starter, hence crap, and I traded it away or maybe just ate it. In retrospect. Anyway I saw a Radiant, Archangel for 50$ on trollandtoad. What the hell? Who are the insane people paying that much for a crappy-ass foil rare? That's what it was worth 10 years ago when foils were brand new and people thought it would be worth infinite dollars. foil Ring of Gix was going for 80$ ( according to Scrye ) back then. Trollandtoad has them for 2$ now. Hahaha And on the topic of insane foil prices... Foil BOP for 60$ in 7th? 15$ in Ravnica? I remember when foil BoPs first came out though.. they were worth the same as Beta Bops.
Magik321 Member	posted February 24, 2010 11:21 PM Just sold a 7th foil bop on ebay for $65. __________________ Have/Want List References Email me: magik_321@hotmail.com Need T2 cards? Visit www.mtggateway.com now!
caquaa Member	posted February 25, 2010 12:05 AM quote: Originally posted by Magik321: Just sold a 7th foil bop on ebay for $65. I sitll want one of these for my cube. Friend has m10 I could get cheap, but the 7th one is so nice I'm gonna hold out til I can get a deal on one. __________________ Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! Global basic Island collection needs your help! If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Reliquium Member	posted February 25, 2010 12:42 AM Most of the 7th foils have a huge premium on them. I've always attributed it to the only foils in a base set (and first) with the old frame. I'd love a foil 7ed Serra Angel just for my collection. Also a 7ed bop, wog...a whole bunch. But they're out of the price range I'm willing to pay for them, and likely to stay there; I don't see anything that would bring them down. Acutally, the Serra isn't too bad...hmm. And yes, I like the art on it. I also like the art on the original. I just noticed the price for a GP Jitte...did that go up, or is thta my imagination?
CoupDeGrace Member	posted February 25, 2010 12:44 AM Since Reliquium stated above, how much does foil 7th Serra angel worth?
coasterdude84 Member	posted February 25, 2010 05:32 AM $20, give or take.
caquaa Member	posted February 25, 2010 01:13 PM quote: Originally posted by Reliquium: I just noticed the price for a GP Jitte...did that go up, or is thta my imagination? When I got mine at Oakland I checked prices that night at the hotel... $40 just checked now and looks to be $30 ish and some received no bids so it might be falling still. __________________ Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! Global basic Island collection needs your help! If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.

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