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Originally posted by thror:
AND it was a ONE-OF in that deck. Which is the norm for ANT. Because hitting a second off the first is terrible. This isnt like FoW, or fetches or duals, that are in every deck of thier color. Why are we confused about this being $1?

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I dunno, just seems funny than such an obviously broken engine card is basically worthless.
But then again there's tons of other examples, like Necropotence, Yawgmoth's Bargain, Mind's Desire etc.

Meh.

Let's instead complain about Sea Drake being worth so much.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
I dunno, just seems funny than such an obviously broken engine card is basically worthless.
But then again there's tons of other examples, like Necropotence, Yawgmoth's Bargain, Mind's Desire etc.

Meh.

Let's instead complain about Sea Drake being worth so much.

DAMN YOU SEA DRAKE BLAR

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Its applications are narrow, though. Whereas Necro/Bargain traded 1 life for 1 card, this is pretty much Dark Confidant on steroids. Not the best thing if you can't respond or take action between each card revealed.

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Originally posted by alphataru:
Seriously, Slinga, this is getting pointless. I'm talking about generally statistics, and you're talking about 3 specific tournies without looking at the field.

If you look at last 3 SCG, Enchantress was in 1st place once, Belcher was in 3rd place once, B/W aggro (??) was in 2nd place once. Are you telling me that this is supposed to represent the top decks of Legacy?

Again, I'm not arguing about the justification for the price of Ad nauseam, I'm just saying that you claiming ANT is a T2~3 deck is baseless, clueless, and ridiculous. There's really no arguing that.

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If you look at EVERY Legacy tournament SCG has in their books, which goes back to October 2008, Ad Nauseam made top 8 twice. Once was Tommy Kolowith before the mana floating rules changed, and one was 7th at an SCG Open. Meanwhile Life from the Loam made 10 top 8s, Counterbalance made over a dozen, Lord of Atlantis made 7, Chain Lightning made 8...

The deck is not tier 1, and cannot even make the SEMIFINALS in a decent-sized event. You have to look at events bigger than 5 rounds in order to actually determine how good a deck is.

Anyway, what it boils down to is fairly simple anyway, so I don't know why I'm obsessing over the argument.

Ad Nauseam:

Standard: no play (far as I know)
Extended: no play (far as I know)
Casual: no play (pretty much)
EDH: no play
Legacy: 1-4 of in one deck out of 50+, which makes up maybe 1-10% of any given metagame, occasionally more.
Vintage: 1 deck, 4-of, makes up maybe 2-5% of the metagame, definitely not tier 1.

So it's seeing marginal play in two tiny formats. It may or may not be good, but that's irrelevant; it's seeing almost no play, and will continue to be bulk until someone breaks it in a bigger format, or until it really takes off in Legacy.

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Ad Nauseam:

Casual: no play (pretty much)

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- I personally love it in my casual vampire deck.
Nothing quite as cool as using it w/ the Vampire Nocturnus.
But i guess that fits in the "(pretty much)" category.

ANT is played a lot in Osaka. You see more Ant decks than Loam decks here.

I think these are the top six played decks in Osaka.. in no order

Zoo
Dredge
Counter top Goyf
Merfolks
ANT
Goblins

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Originally posted by alphataru:
Stuff no one wants to hear....

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Tell me this is you:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=220495

If this is you, and you are trying to tell us how a card should be priced well....heh

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Originally posted by stu55:
Tell me this is you:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=220495

If this is you, and you are trying to tell us how a card should be priced well....heh

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Originally posted by Vinceisg0d:
That's actually not too, too bad. You realize those are all foils, right?

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Originally posted by stu55:
Tell me this is you:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=220495

If this is you, and you are trying to tell us how a card should be priced well....heh

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Originally posted by MagixDK:
Ohh I feel the retort of "Nerd!" comming soon.

Internets arguments are fail.

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Originally posted by stu55:
still at foils, those things are going to drop fast like other stuff has in the past...especially those rares

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Now THAT is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by CoupDeGrace:
sinkhole is just a casual cards yet so expensive. It applies to doubling season, sliver queen and so on.

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What's casual about sinkhole?
They sell it for 10 bucks less than dual lands from the same collection.

Dual lands for crying out loud.

What's even fun about sinkhole for casual?

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Originally posted by thror:
mono black and Eva green in legacy both rely pretty heavily on sinkhole. coupled with wasteland, it can be a devastating piece of disruption. And it was only in ABU, so there aren't tons of RV alternatives floating around. $40 is high, but that's because you're checking online stores...

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