It passes the light test perfectly
I'm afraid to do a bend test as it looks like it has had a lot of exposure to sun exposure as it has some heat cracks a little.
I don't have a black light.
It looks like it has security paper in the middle but the corners are more worn out than normal so i can't tell.

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Originally posted by bigbob585:

Were there any unlimited cards that had glossy coatings?

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Without seeing the card I can't say for certain what is being considered a glossy finish, but all unlimited cards had the same finish so if you have other legit unlimited cards putting them side by side should be an easy test.

I'd recommend checking for the print pattern. If it is indeed a printed fake then you will most likely see a dot matrix print on the card rather then the rings that are easily visible on older cards. If you can't see them with your naked eye find yourself a good magnifying glass and they should be easily visible. Again since its easy to come by unlimited commons I'd compare it side by side with something you know to be real.

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I have had a lot of doubts, but I think that it's real, just was polished by a lot of games.

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Originally posted by JazzMasterZero:
Heh. I've same lotus.
It passed water test,

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water test is for morons, whoever would subject a card to a water test is ill qualified to handle magic cards, let alone determine authenticity.

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light test and bend test too.

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guess what, fakes have passed those

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I looked it with microscope and I've seen that it's ink structure same as on other high-quality scans of Black Lotuses.

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really, do tell the specifics.. i'm interested in what you saw.

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But it's really very old and much played. It has a lot of little scratches that doesn't damages paint.

I have had a lot of doubts, but I think that it's real, just was polished by a lot of games.

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what he means here is finger grease, old unlimited cardstock has a tendancy to soak those up remarkably well, so some older, more cared for, but still played cards will have a glossy feel to them.

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P.S. by the way, different unlimited cards have different ink structure. Mox's dot matrix doesn't equal Lotus's one.

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uh.. what? you know the sheet is printed at once right? off the same press... thereby, meaning, the same ring ink pattern is uniform pretty much across the entire printing plate. yer so full of turd it's pathetic. that, or you have absolutely no clue what you're looking at/for

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Compare thickness and feel.

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really, do tell the specifics.. i'm interested in what you saw.

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uh.. what? you know the sheet is printed at once right? off the same press... thereby, meaning, the same ring ink pattern is uniform pretty much across the entire printing plate. yer so full of turd it's pathetic. that, or you have absolutely no clue what you're looking at/for

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I don't know, but on hi-res scans that I seen Moxes has in down-right corner print structure as a rings , but Lotuses has print structure like a squires.
for example just compare these two (sorry, I haven't found better scans quickly)
http://abugames.com/images/products/actualpictureitems/1460_Unlimited_Mox_Sapphire_ MINT.jpg
http://abugames.com/images/products/actualpictureitems/1467_Unlimited_Black_Lotus_NM _M.jpg
http://abugames.com/images/products/actualpictureitems/1461_Unlimited_Mox_Ruby_GEM_ MINT.jpg
Look down right corner.

Have you any better hi-res scans of Unlimited Black Lotuses and Moxes?

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coolio is dead on when it comes to the tests. Water test is stupid unless you like damaging cards. The scans you're referencing from abu don't show the detail required to compare a card to... especially if you're wanting to use a microscope. A mox and lotus and any random card from unlimited will have the same printing pattern. The best test would be to tear it in half and see if it has the blue glue in the middle. I think you should do that one.

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Originally posted by caquaa:

The best test would be to tear it in half and see if it has the blue glue in the middle. I think you should do that one.

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Originally posted by JazzMasterZero:
>>your links to your unlimited stuff don't work.<<
Do you know how to use Rapidshare service?

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They worked for me, but it did take a while to download.

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
yeah, it's a fake. if it weren't so glossy you wouldn't be able to tell without close inspection.

I took it to a guy i know who's an expert with the stuff and he showed me all that's wrong with it.

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really? I dont know of anyone on the west coast who's that well versed at spotting fakes. I dont trust half the dealers who claims they can spot fakes. i can count the amt of ppl's opinions that i'd take their word for on 1 hand.

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Basically they:
Did a bad job on one edge cutting it.
There was no visible security paper
The card was too glossy
The rosette pattern was printed on a laser printer..

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Originally posted by bigbob585:

The rosette pattern was printed on a laser printer..

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Its unlimited, it has to be printed. Its the easiest way to see through an unlimited fake.

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