Was that an english set? or otherwise?

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
So, recent auctions say up to $14 apiece. Is that realistic?

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Originally posted by ShawnSr:
That painter combo is pretty broken, I wouldn't pay more than $10 each myself but at the same time I wouldn't doubt it one bit if the grindstone hits $15 or even up to $20 during the hype for it. I sure hope they don't do some kinda erata BS on the painter though.

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I see Grindstone going the way of Transmute Artifact, but not to the same extreme. I remember when Slinga bought out several stores and got several hundred copies of transmute, which hit $15-$20 I believe, and it is now at $2. I think the price is due largely to hype, but that it will prove itself maybe as a decent combo, but the Grindstone will probably settle around $2-4 once all the hype has died down.

It just reminds too much of Transmute Artifact from a few years back. Just my thoughts though.

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Originally posted by mogote:
When I bought 4 Grinstones for $6.49 each last week I thought that I'm already paying too much but $15 each is totally insane and is not justified in my opinion. We'll see where prices stabilize I guess.

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Originally posted by Cab:
I see Grindstone going the way of Transmute Artifact, but not to the same extreme. I remember when Slinga bought out several stores and got several hundred copies of transmute, which hit $15-$20 I believe, and it is now at $2. I think the price is due largely to hype, but that it will prove itself maybe as a decent combo, but the Grindstone will probably settle around $2-4 once all the hype has died down.

It just reminds too much of Transmute Artifact from a few years back. Just my thoughts though.

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Originally posted by FadeToBlack:
Mind explaining what was with Transmute Artifact? Just curious..

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The scenario for transmute was somewhat different because it was a substitute for Tinker that people tried using in Vintage in order to have 5 Tinker effects. I think it ended up being too clunky and too mana intensive to work, so it ended up dropping down to $2. THe scenarios for the two cards are different, but I don't really see this combo keeping the price for grindstone at more than $4 in the long run.

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Originally posted by heartagram420:
comparing grindstone with transmute artifact doesn't really work because the hype with each of them is for different reasons. i would compare grindstone with time vault. when flame fusillade came out, it was an instant 2 card combo with time vault, which then made time vault rocket up in price. this is exactly the same with grindstone. a new card is printed that made an otherwise obsolete card into a two-card infinate combo. this obviously made grindstone rocket up in value. the price of time vault steadily increased, until it was eventually errated. this may be the same fate as grindstone, but until then, i can't see in going anywhere but up, or staying at a constant $10 or thereabouts.

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There is the factor that far more Grindstone's were printed than Time Vaults...so I doubt we'll see the price ever climb that high.

I would guess the recent jump is just due to the newness of the combo. I imagine the price will level out once everybody with excess stones starts flooding the market.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
There is the factor that far more Grindstone's were printed than Time Vaults...so I doubt we'll see the price ever climb that high.

I would guess the recent jump is just due to the newness of the combo. I imagine the price will level out once everybody with excess stones starts flooding the market.

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
If your deck beats belcher you can beat this deck, it's not really that devestating of a combo. Legacy can handle it just fine.

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the combo isn't that good anyway, having trouble against oath, which is a very good and played deck (sadly ).

if this combo would come out BIG (and that won't happen), ppl could simply add gaea's blessing to their SB's and that's it.

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Originally posted by H8Man:
it is overhyped like always whenever something happens.

the combo isn't that good anyway, having trouble against oath, which is a very good and played deck (sadly ).

if this combo would come out BIG (and that won't happen), ppl could simply add gaea's blessing to their SB's and that's it.

it's another fun combo, but nothing scary for sure... but fun anyway and that's why I like it :P

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This is a legacy combo deck so oath wont be a problem anyway . This would get owned in Vintage. Oops Flash I win but that is a sweet painters servant you got there. If people start running blessing's because of this I will die laughing . This combo will be fun and may crush a few games but wont be consistant enough to fear.

This is going to be like reset . Reset was a card that sat in people boxes . Shot up and leveled off . Grindstone will be the same way . The only advantage grindstone has is it's more of a "Kitchen Table" card unlike reset. I see the hype in it . Milling people has always been fun . When the hype is gone I see Grindstone at a 8-10 dollar card for the simple fact that it will still have casual value even if it isn't tournament worthy. For Michael_French though I hope it goes higher . He's a nice guy with a small horde of Jap ones.

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Originally posted by H8Man:
yeah, but I think it's even worse in legacy, as there are more counters, more creature hate around. not to mention the grip and other disenchant effects.

8-10$ would still be a very high price in my eyes, but well, I wouldn't spend 40$ nor 30$ for a tarmogoyf, too.

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As there are more counters...

Sigh.. So did you see the Red version of the deck that is playing 10 REB type cards and Welders.

The combo is a win for a deck not the entire deck...

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Originally posted by Teferi Planeswalker:
Grindstone variant just won the ICBM Open #4, so I'm not expecting a huge fall after "speculation." Check the deck construction forum for the decklist.

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the mentioned deck looks like an old gifts deck with only 1 gift and this combo instead of flamevault. of course, it tries to abuse the painter wherever it can.

anyway, a 35 people small tourney doesn't say much about a deck, especially not when it's a brand new one. I can't count with how many new (and completely untested) decks I've won tourneys, same sized and bigger ones.

time will tell what's really up with it, but I can't see it getting a huge play. it's fun to play with 8 REBs that can target anything, but ppl don't look for fun decks most of the time.

but as it came up, legacy may be another story, but I doubt it will be much better there.