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Topic: Price of Grindstone.
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Animosity Member
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posted May 05, 2008 06:23 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by H8Man:
the mentioned deck looks like an old gifts deck with only 1 gift and this combo instead of flamevault. of course, it tries to abuse the painter wherever it can.anyway, a 35 people small tourney doesn't say much about a deck, especially not when it's a brand new one. I can't count with how many new (and completely untested) decks I've won tourneys, same sized and bigger ones. time will tell what's really up with it, but I can't see it getting a huge play. it's fun to play with 8 REBs that can target anything, but ppl don't look for fun decks most of the time. but as it came up, legacy may be another story, but I doubt it will be much better there. let's drink some tea meanwhile ^^
I agree . Nighbor is a good player so congrats to him . As far as the combo goes for Vintage when it does good at an SCG event or at least a fair Amount of smaller ones (ICBM opens and What Not ). Will it stay at the top ? No not in Vintage where the most creative Magic players Dwell.
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marriedwithchildren Member
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posted May 06, 2008 11:59 AM
  
BS! This is a great combo, hard to get around in game one. and you better have an answer on game two. what was Nighbor's record in that tourney anyway?
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stu55 Member
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posted May 06, 2008 01:07 PM
  
35 isnt that small of a vintage tourney when star city is only getting 35-50 ppl depending on location
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted May 06, 2008 01:09 PM
  
I'd like to quickly point out the combo was not Nighbor's only win condition. If fact, I would venture to guess that more often than not he won by Tinkering out a Colossus or something rather than milling the daylights out of his opponents. I would really like to know how many of his wins were from the combo.I think for some time, we will see this as a nice little alternative win condition, as Nighbor used it, but ultimately, there needs to be a stronger Plan A, so I don't think it by itself will rule the meta.
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H8Man Member
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posted May 06, 2008 02:52 PM

noone said that the combo is useless, but it's not going to be a scary one. there are enough and better 2 card combos than this one. it's just another fun combo, but not the new killer-combo, no need to get upset.35 ppl isn't big, it's average. maybe it's already big for the US, but there are many many and much more tourneys outside of your country and there, 35 is small. saying that 35 isn't small just beacause another tourney does only have a couple guys more doesn't help. *insert xx random examples* you can also compare it to other tourneys, no matter which format and you will easily see, that 35 isn't much. that mentioned 50 is nice, but still not big anyway. for me/us, big begins at 80.
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puregoblinboy47 Member
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posted May 07, 2008 07:47 AM
  
Grindstone was in line with Exploration in that it was always inflated due to the casual market. Morphling and Serra Avatar still suffer the same fate. When casual cards become *good*, up goes the price. See Time Vault for an extreme example.
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Omega Member
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posted May 11, 2008 03:56 PM
  
will it holds value? Im thinking of getting 2-3 or even a playset for tournament play (legacy)Robert
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dwiz Member
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posted May 11, 2008 05:09 PM

$25 each for english is getting pretty steep. Seems to keep climbing though.
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pyr0ma5ta Member
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posted May 11, 2008 06:30 PM
  
$100 for a set.I frowned. __________________ Now back by popular demand!
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WeedIan Member
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posted May 11, 2008 06:35 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta: $100 for a set.I frowned.
Yikes. That's just redic! __________________ 7000ish posts == Should put me in the top 25 or so in Ontario.
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted May 11, 2008 06:39 PM
  
It's early still. We're only a couple weeks into Shadowmoor. I'll check back at the end of June, and if we're still talking about it then, then maybe it'll hold and it's worth something, but I doubt it. I agree that it seems to be a good casual card that got hot really fast, but I think it will burn out just as quickly.
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redbeard Member
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posted May 11, 2008 07:20 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta: $100 for a set.I frowned.
you must be kiding...did u see his single grindstone for auction is at 28!
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Teferi Planeswalker Member
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posted May 11, 2008 07:48 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by redbeard: you must be kiding...did u see his single grindstone for auction is at 28!
Thats for a foreign one though.
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PriestsofGix Member
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posted May 11, 2008 08:29 PM

quote: Originally posted by redbeard: you must be kiding...did u see his single grindstone for auction is at 28!
I am quite happy with both auctions 
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PriestsofGix on May 11, 2008]
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Mr.C Member
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posted May 11, 2008 08:38 PM
  
Guess I should be happy I have 21 grindstones.
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Animosity Member
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posted May 11, 2008 08:41 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: Guess I should be happy I have 21 grindstones.
Yeah at 25 a pop thats 525 your sitting on .
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ihaveahobbie Member
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posted May 11, 2008 08:52 PM
  
better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down
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Mr.C Member
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posted May 12, 2008 01:23 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ihaveahobbie: better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down
it's a pretty reasonable combo. I don't see it going down. Most likely, it will level off @ 20-25.
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Cab Member
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posted May 12, 2008 02:20 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: it's a pretty reasonable combo. I don't see it going down.Most likely, it will level off @ 20-25.
Wha???? The print run wasn't low enough on Grindstone to justify $20-25 a pop... was it? __________________ "He knew suddenly that he was not going to escape. He was only mildly surprised to discover that he no longer cared. An instant later, he was dead."I collect FOIL Rootwater Thief, FOIL Simian Grunt, and FOIL Alpha Status. I want yours!!
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pyr0ma5ta Member
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posted May 12, 2008 08:27 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ihaveahobbie: better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down
It did just fine at Starcity's Magic weekend. __________________ Now back by popular demand!
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Johnathondrearmz Member
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posted May 12, 2008 10:46 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ihaveahobbie: better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down
I guess you didn't see how Team ICBM broke the combo in there new build. I don't think many people are ready for this deck Scarecrow with all the control and tempo it has. The grindstone won't always be this hot, but if you think this combo is silly and won't show some brass at tourneys your sadly mistaken.
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H8Man Member
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posted May 12, 2008 06:38 PM

the only real scary thing about the painter isn't the grindstone combo, it's the up to 12 REB effect madness that makes it decent.the combo itself still isn't that great and with up to twelve 1 mana instant vindicates, you don't need that combo anymore. in my eyes the price of the stone is simply overhyped like it happened xx times ago with other cards. it's like running an eater of days in a stax deck. you can simply win with 1 welder, beating the opponent to the ground, as the rest of the deck is choking him. (sure, this combo can win, the eater is a joke, but you should get the meaning)
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Gryfalia Member
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posted May 13, 2008 07:48 AM

Much to my surprise I found I have 3 Korean ones from the boxes I opened..I should sell em I suppose..hehe.Haven't seen any sell on EBay yet (Korean, that is), has anyone else?
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Johnathondrearmz Member
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posted May 13, 2008 10:51 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by H8Man: the only real scary thing about the painter isn't the grindstone combo, it's the up to 12 REB effect madness that makes it decent.the combo itself still isn't that great and with up to twelve 1 mana instant vindicates, you don't need that combo anymore. in my eyes the price of the stone is simply overhyped like it happened xx times ago with other cards. it's like running an eater of days in a stax deck. you can simply win with 1 welder, beating the opponent to the ground, as the rest of the deck is choking him. (sure, this combo can win, the eater is a joke, but you should get the meaning)
First off get your facts right. Painter's effects cards outside PLAY and never states they are the chosen color in play "vindicate detroys things", so the vindiacte part you made laugh cool. Second the control sceme was pretty clear the first 2 seconds to all viewers that had a brain who glanced at the public release by Team ICBM. It is the counterspell factor of the Blast by the way. Third since there's members thinking he kill more OPPs by the Tinker+Steel combo I will again correct. He took more out by the combo and control than Darksteel. I'll take all critisim if I'm wrong about the Servent, and its stated ability if the chosen color does indeed effect the cards while in play, and after resoving in play. Giving a player the right to start destroying the chosen colored "blue in this case" once in play. Just watched a grindstone a few days on ebay sell for $9.47
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Johnathondrearmz on May 13, 2008]
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Tha Gunslinga Moderator
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posted May 13, 2008 11:09 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Johnathondrearmz: First off get your facts right. Painter's effects cards outside PLAY and never states they are the chosen color in play "vindicate detroys things", so the vindiacte part you made laugh cool.
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As Painter's Servant comes into play, choose a color. All cards that aren't in play, spells, and permanents are the chosen color in addition to their other colors.
quote: Originally posted by marriedwithchildren: what was Nighbor's record in that tourney anyway?
He lost two games in total.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Tha Gunslinga on May 13, 2008]
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