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Animosity
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posted May 05, 2008 06:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Animosity Click Here to Email Animosity Send a private message to Animosity Click to send Animosity an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Animosity's Have/Want ListView Animosity's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by H8Man:

the mentioned deck looks like an old gifts deck with only 1 gift and this combo instead of flamevault. of course, it tries to abuse the painter wherever it can.

anyway, a 35 people small tourney doesn't say much about a deck, especially not when it's a brand new one. I can't count with how many new (and completely untested) decks I've won tourneys, same sized and bigger ones.

time will tell what's really up with it, but I can't see it getting a huge play. it's fun to play with 8 REBs that can target anything, but ppl don't look for fun decks most of the time.

but as it came up, legacy may be another story, but I doubt it will be much better there.

let's drink some tea meanwhile ^^


I agree . Nighbor is a good player so congrats to him . As far as the combo goes for Vintage when it does good at an SCG event or at least a fair Amount of smaller ones (ICBM opens and What Not ). Will it stay at the top ? No not in Vintage where the most creative Magic players Dwell.

 
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BS! This is a great combo, hard to get around in game one. and you better have an answer on game two. what was Nighbor's record in that tourney anyway?
 
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35 isnt that small of a vintage tourney when star city is only getting 35-50 ppl depending on location
 
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I'd like to quickly point out the combo was not Nighbor's only win condition. If fact, I would venture to guess that more often than not he won by Tinkering out a Colossus or something rather than milling the daylights out of his opponents. I would really like to know how many of his wins were from the combo.

I think for some time, we will see this as a nice little alternative win condition, as Nighbor used it, but ultimately, there needs to be a stronger Plan A, so I don't think it by itself will rule the meta.

 
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noone said that the combo is useless, but it's not going to be a scary one. there are enough and better 2 card combos than this one. it's just another fun combo, but not the new killer-combo, no need to get upset.

35 ppl isn't big, it's average. maybe it's already big for the US, but there are many many and much more tourneys outside of your country and there, 35 is small.
saying that 35 isn't small just beacause another tourney does only have a couple guys more doesn't help.
*insert xx random examples*

you can also compare it to other tourneys, no matter which format and you will easily see, that 35 isn't much.
that mentioned 50 is nice, but still not big anyway. for me/us, big begins at 80.

 
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Grindstone was in line with Exploration in that it was always inflated due to the casual market. Morphling and Serra Avatar still suffer the same fate. When casual cards become *good*, up goes the price. See Time Vault for an extreme example.
 
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will it holds value? Im thinking of getting 2-3 or even a playset for tournament play (legacy)

Robert

 
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$25 each for english is getting pretty steep. Seems to keep climbing though.
 
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$100 for a set.

I frowned.

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quote:
Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta:
$100 for a set.

I frowned.


Yikes.

That's just redic!

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It's early still. We're only a couple weeks into Shadowmoor. I'll check back at the end of June, and if we're still talking about it then, then maybe it'll hold and it's worth something, but I doubt it. I agree that it seems to be a good casual card that got hot really fast, but I think it will burn out just as quickly.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta:
$100 for a set.

I frowned.


you must be kiding...did u see his single grindstone for auction is at 28!

 
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quote:
Originally posted by redbeard:
you must be kiding...did u see his single grindstone for auction is at 28!

Thats for a foreign one though.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by redbeard:
you must be kiding...did u see his single grindstone for auction is at 28!

I am quite happy with both auctions

[Edited 1 times, lastly by PriestsofGix on May 11, 2008]

 
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Guess I should be happy I have 21 grindstones.
 
Animosity
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
Guess I should be happy I have 21 grindstones.

Yeah at 25 a pop thats 525 your sitting on .

 
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better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ihaveahobbie:
better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down

it's a pretty reasonable combo. I don't see it going down.

Most likely, it will level off @ 20-25.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
it's a pretty reasonable combo. I don't see it going down.

Most likely, it will level off @ 20-25.


Wha???? The print run wasn't low enough on Grindstone to justify $20-25 a pop... was it?

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quote:
Originally posted by ihaveahobbie:
better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down

It did just fine at Starcity's Magic weekend.

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quote:
Originally posted by ihaveahobbie:
better sell em off before the next big vintage tourney...once it doesn't do so well its gonna go down

I guess you didn't see how Team ICBM broke the combo in there new build. I don't think many people are ready for this deck Scarecrow with all the control and tempo it has.

The grindstone won't always be this hot, but if you think this combo is silly and won't show some brass at tourneys your sadly mistaken.

 
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the only real scary thing about the painter isn't the grindstone combo, it's the up to 12 REB effect madness that makes it decent.

the combo itself still isn't that great and with up to twelve 1 mana instant vindicates, you don't need that combo anymore.
in my eyes the price of the stone is simply overhyped like it happened xx times ago with other cards.

it's like running an eater of days in a stax deck. you can simply win with 1 welder, beating the opponent to the ground, as the rest of the deck is choking him. (sure, this combo can win, the eater is a joke, but you should get the meaning)

 
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Much to my surprise I found I have 3 Korean ones from the boxes I opened..I should sell em I suppose..hehe.

Haven't seen any sell on EBay yet (Korean, that is), has anyone else?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by H8Man:
the only real scary thing about the painter isn't the grindstone combo, it's the up to 12 REB effect madness that makes it decent.

the combo itself still isn't that great and with up to twelve 1 mana instant vindicates, you don't need that combo anymore.
in my eyes the price of the stone is simply overhyped like it happened xx times ago with other cards.

it's like running an eater of days in a stax deck. you can simply win with 1 welder, beating the opponent to the ground, as the rest of the deck is choking him. (sure, this combo can win, the eater is a joke, but you should get the meaning)


First off get your facts right. Painter's effects cards outside PLAY and never states they are the chosen color in play "vindicate detroys things", so the vindiacte part you made laugh cool. Second the control sceme was pretty clear the first 2 seconds to all viewers that had a brain who glanced at the public release by Team ICBM. It is the counterspell factor of the Blast by the way.
Third since there's members thinking he kill more OPPs by the Tinker+Steel combo I will again correct. He took more out by the combo and control than Darksteel.

I'll take all critisim if I'm wrong about the Servent, and its stated ability if the chosen color does indeed effect the cards while in play, and after resoving in play. Giving a player the right to start destroying the chosen colored "blue in this case" once in play.

Just watched a grindstone a few days on ebay sell for $9.47


[Edited 1 times, lastly by Johnathondrearmz on May 13, 2008]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Johnathondrearmz:
First off get your facts right. Painter's effects cards outside PLAY and never states they are the chosen color in play "vindicate detroys things", so the vindiacte part you made laugh cool.

quote:

As Painter's Servant comes into play, choose a color.
All cards that aren't in play, spells, and permanents are the chosen color in addition to their other colors.


quote:
Originally posted by marriedwithchildren:
what was Nighbor's record in that tourney anyway?

He lost two games in total.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Tha Gunslinga on May 13, 2008]


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