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Topic: Mafia 10 : Sentinels
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Liq Member
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posted March 02, 2010 11:44 AM

MafiaThe Rules of Mafia Overview : The citizens of a small city, Tillamook, have discovered that there is Mafia in their town! The discovery has prompted the Mafia to start eliminating the population to a more manageable size. The citizens must get the Mafia before the Mafia gets them!A full game comprises 17 players. 3 Mafia Members, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Vigilante and 11 Citizens. Teams :There are two teams, the Mafia and the Citizens. On the Mafia side are the Mafia Members. On the Citizen side are the Citizens, the Cop, the Doctor, and the Vigilante. Winning Conditions :The Mafia win by eliminating enough people so that they make up 50% or more of the "living" players in the game. The citizens win by eliminating all the mafia. Roles :Roles will be randomly determined by me. I will the PM roles to the players. If you don't get a PM, you're a citizen.The Mafia The Mafia talk and vote just like the Citizens. In addition, they know each other and are allowed to discuss the current game between each other off thread. One of the 3 Mafia members will be the leader. Each round the Mafia Leader is responsible for getting me the name of a Citizen chosen to be removed from the game (Mafia Hit). Important!! If you are not a Mafia Member, the ONLY PM's that you are to send are to me. Mafia to Mafia is the only acceptable PM's between players. /Important!! The Cop The Cop talks and votes just like the Citizens. Each round The Cop is allowed to determine the role of any one player (Police Investigation). The Cop, at some point, may come out, and share their information. Once the Cop reveals himself and his information, the Doctor may no longer protect him (for obvious reasons). No one else is allowed to announce their role at any time. Players can not lie about being the Cop! Also players may not ask another if they are the Cop. Speculation on the Cop or the Cop's actions is also not allowed. The Doctor The Doctor talks and votes just like the citizens. Each round the Doctor chooses any one "living" player to protect from the Mafia Hit. If a Citizen "protected" by the Doctor becomes the target of the "Mafia Hit" or the Vigilante, then that player will continue playing (Doctor Save). The Doctor may submit the name of any "living" player as long as that player has not been "saved" by the Doctor. The Doctor may not at any time reveal his or her role! Players can not lie about being the Doctor! Also players may not ask another if they are the Doctor. Speculation on the Doctor or the Doctor's actions is also not allowed. The Vigilante The Vigilante talks and votes just like the citizens. Unlike the other roles, the vigilante is not chosen at the start of game. During Night Rounds 1, 2, and 3, it will be randomly determined in a weighted fashion if there will be a Vigilante. Should the Vigilante be activated, a role will be randomly assigned to one of the citizens that are 'alive'. There will only be one Vigilante in any game (ie this role does not transfer). The Night Action of the Vigilante is the elimination of any one player and the Vigilante will be "caught in the act" resulting in him being removed from the game. The Vigilante may elect not to use the ability and retain it for as a future Night Action. If the target of the "Mafia Hit" and the Vigilante are the same, the Mafia get there first and the Vigilante "survives" the round. If the Doctor "protects" the target of the Vigilante, both the Vigilante and the target "survive". If the Doctor "protects" the Vigilante with an elected Night Action, the Vigilante still gets "caught in the act". The Vigilante may not at any time reveal his or her role! Players can not lie about being the Vigilante! There is no tolerance for anyone attempting to skirt the rules regarding lying about or revealing roles as outlined above. The Citizen Anyone who does not have any of the previous roles is a regular Citizen trying to eliminating all members of the Mafia. This is done by majority vote (Citizen Lynch). Players who are still "alive" are not allowed to discuss this game with anyone, alive, dead or otherwise as to prevent accidents. Those that end up dead are allowed one "death post" which is not to contain ingame knowledge and are expected to remain silent until end of game. Game play :The game is broken down into Rounds. Each Round will have 2 Phases, the Night Phase and the Day Phase. Players may discuss on this thread between themselves as what to do at any time during these phases by post alone. Each "living" player is required to post at least once per round. Only the Mafia is allowed to PM each other.During the Night Phase, the Mafia Leader submits the "Mafia Hit", the Cop "investigates" a player, the Doctor attempts to "save" a player, and the Vigilante may try to eliminate a player. All this is done by them sending me (the GM) a MOTL PM. After this is all done, I will announce the player who is removed from game (Mafia Hit or Vigilante target) unless that player is "saved" by the Doctor. If a player is "saved" by the Doctor, only the fact that it did happen will be shared. There is no set time for this phase but be quick about it. During the Day Phase, each player must submit a vote for a player to be "lynched". If multiple votes are submitted by a player, the most recent will be counted. If all votes are in before the specified time, I will end voting early. There is a set time for this phase which will be at least 48 hours. Tiebreakers will be determined by a randomization process. To sign up for this game, you must have your name on the GD UBB Player List. Once your name is on the list, simply leave a post indicating your willingness to participate in this game. Please do not post any further to this prior to the start of the game. Once the necessary number of players are signed up, I will announce the Start of Game in which the First Round begins. After this point and until End of Game, short of a Mod, no member of MOTL is allowed to post on this thread that is not playing. Also note that those with their name on the GD UBB Player List may be asked to replace a "living" player. Good Luck and Have Fun!! Penalties :- Non-Consistant Play (posting/voting) : 1 Game Suspension
- Attempting to Play without Signing up : 1 Game Suspension
- Breaking a number of Rules : 1 Game Suspension
- Breaking or skirting the rules regarding revealing or lying about a role : 1 Game Suspension
- Rude/Crass Personal Attacks : 1 Game Suspension : Removal from Game
- Non-Mafia-to-Mafia PM : 3 Game Suspension : Removal from Game
Suspended/Banned Players :- Tranderas {Banned}
- LA3 {Suspension}
- WCFmo {Suspension}
The Players :- Battle_of_Twits
- Jazaray
- MagicMystic
- MasterWolf
- PlasteredDragon
- XplicitR
The Deceased :- MeddlingMage {Citizen : Mafia Hit 1}
- Zakman86 {Mafia : Citizen Lynch 1}
- fwybwed {Citizen : Mafia Hit 2}
- hilikuS (AGM) {Citizen : Citizen Lynch 2}
- thror {Citizen : Mafia Hit 3}
- BernieB {Citizen : Citizen Lynch 3}
- OGB {Cop : Mafia Hit 4}
- Bernek77 {Citizen : Citizen Lynch 4}
- Gawain {Citizen : Mafia Hit 5}
- inigomontoya {Citizen : Citizen Lynch 5}
- Caitiri {Doctor : Mafia Hit 6}
[Edited 9 times, lastly by Liq on March 16, 2010]
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thror Member
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posted March 02, 2010 11:54 AM

Part1 thread here: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016847.htmlWith the recent squeeze put on hilikuS, and the backpedaling it has caused, he has jumped up on my suspicion list. And he was in the Zak pile. And he doesn't want us to look there. I think I've found my vote. Again, I am banking on this and the next nightphase to give us a bunch of information, and hopefully we'll get some real leads. For at least this round, I'm staying within the Zak pile. {SUMMARY: hilikuS stuff} {SUSPICION: hilikuS (Zak pile)} {VOTING: hilikuS}
__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."
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OGB Member
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posted March 02, 2010 02:47 PM
  
I closed on my first house today :-), so I am catching up from last night up to now, with votes due in 5.5 hours. So here is the vote declaration count so far, in chronological order (please correct me if you've declared and I've missed it): PD - MasterWolf (1) BernieB - Caitiri (1) BOT - hilikuS (1) inigomontoya - XPR (1) Bernek77 - hilikuS (2) hilikuS - BernieB (1) thror - hilikuS (3) XPR - hilikus (4) Yet to declare - OGB, JAZ, MW, MMY, Caitiri, GAW. I'm leaning to vote Caitiri this round due to his consipcuous abscense. No posts for almost 3 full days. I will declare my vote as soon as I've had time to re-read everything later on tonight. {SUMMARY: recap of declared votes thusfar, calls out Caitiri} {SUSPECTS: Caitiri} Edit 1: for idiocy. Sometimes the toughest thing to see is right in front of your face. Sorry thror! Edit 2: added XPR's vote. __________________ Check out OldGhastbot on MTGO to buy and sell cards at ultracompetitive prices!
[Edited 2 times, lastly by OGB on March 02, 2010]
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thror Member
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posted March 02, 2010 02:52 PM

I was almost certain I voted for hilikuS in the post directly above yours...__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."
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MagicMystic Member
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posted March 02, 2010 02:56 PM

As I said towards the end of the last one, I don't like MW volunteering to be an info-lynch day 4. I also don't like his wavering responses to me afterwords. I think there's a decent chance he's mafia. I also haven't forgotten about BernieB, as he's done nothing to lessen my original concerns. I'm leaning towards MW for my vote, but BernieB is still being considered depending on what is posted over the next few hours.EDIT: Gonna try out using the tags. EDIT2: Typo'd some of the {} {SUMMARY: Declares two suspects, not 100% on vote, but leaning} {SUSPECT: BernieB, low post count, unsubstantial, posting only when called out} {VOTE: MasterWolf, offering a R4 info-lynch which makes no sense, wavering and defensive when questioned about it}
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OGB Member
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posted March 02, 2010 02:57 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by thror: I was almost certain I voted for hilikuS in the post directly above yours...
Well color me embarassed. Fixed. {SUMMARY: OGB is an idiot} __________________ Check out OldGhastbot on MTGO to buy and sell cards at ultracompetitive prices!
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XplicitR Member
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posted March 02, 2010 03:00 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by OGB: Well color me embarassed. Fixed.{SUMMARY: OGB is an idiot}
I am voting for HilikuS.
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OGB Member
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posted March 02, 2010 03:06 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by XplicitR: I am voting for HilikuS.
OK - last I saw you were still up in the air. I will edit my previous post now. What firmed up your vote for hilikuS? __________________ Check out OldGhastbot on MTGO to buy and sell cards at ultracompetitive prices!
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XplicitR Member
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posted March 02, 2010 03:38 PM
  
It wasn't up in the air.I suspect Hiliku much more than I do Caitri (he is just more absent than suspicious), and since everyone is declaring I am going to say my #1 choice. This is of course pending what happens in the next couple hours.
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PlasteredDragon Member
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posted March 02, 2010 04:59 PM

{SUMMARY: Keeping my vote on MW. Becoming more suspicious of INI, GAW, & CAI.}
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OGB Member
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posted March 02, 2010 05:12 PM
  
I'm casting my vote for Caitiri. His absence bothers me more than any any of the suspicious posts thusfar.{SUSPECT: Caitiri, MW, MMY, Bernek, hilikus} {VOTING: Caitiri} __________________ Check out OldGhastbot on MTGO to buy and sell cards at ultracompetitive prices!
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Caitiri Member
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posted March 02, 2010 06:47 PM

First I think I need to start with an explanation for my absence. Like Gaw commented (261. Mar-01 06:46 PM: Questions Cait's absence - (ref: Cait) ), I tend not to post a ton in the beginning of the game, and pick up toward the end. This is because, quite frankly, I am usually just overwhelmed at the beginning of the game and have a hard time sifting anything useful out of all of the information. For that reason I keep my posting to a minimum, but try to make it worthwhile when I do. As has been noticed, however, I have posted even less this round than usual, and not with anything substantial. Over the weekend, quite frankly, I just didn't have much to go on. Then Monday came and, as I mentioned last game, Mondays are my busiest day of the week. Class all day, followed by a band concert and my parents being in town took all my time. I got home from school around 5 today, ate dinner, and have been catching up from where I left off (interrupted by an hour long phone call from my sister). On a more specific note:quote: Originally posted by XplicitR: I may end up voting for Cait, however as he has disappeared for a second time this game. I don't believe in letting silents into the final rounds where they will throw the game for us.
If I threw last game I don't believe it was due to silence In fact, get a post count for the last few rounds and I'm willing to bet I had the most. My posting picks up quite a bit toward the end of the game as the amount of known info increases and I'm able to attempt to piece it together more readily. Moving on.... As for my vote for Zakman, I placed it because of his post where he stated 'No vote now' (068. Feb-24 10:13 AM: PD is inconsistent. No vote right now. - (ref: PD, xplicit) ). The fact that I voted for him before anyone else can be twisted to either incriminate me or to clear me (although more often to incriminate), so I suppose it doesn't really mean much. I voted for him for what I saw as telling behavior, but didn't state a reason at that time because I wanted to watch him a little more. Finally, onto my notes from looking over the thread. Some of them may reference things from a long time ago due to my absence. First, let me respond to PD's question: 263. Mar-01 07:16 PM: calls out less active players, and active players who've listed no suspicions R2 - (ref: everybody but BOT, fwy, Gaw, inigo, MM, PD) My suspicion for XPR was based on him voting Zak without reason after claiming he had already stated his reasons. This was not true; I made the mistake of not looking far enough back in the thread. So that suspicion really didn't really hold merit, unless XPR's suspicion for Zak was for a fellow mafia and his late switch was to try to appear less suspicious. Right now I don't think this is a strong proposition. Other notes: INI: Accuses PD of starting wagon...why wagon your own mafia R1? thror: Too enthusiastically a citizen (251. Mar-01 01:33 PM: asks for postcount, random musings - (ref: AGM, fwy, inigo, MW, MM, PD, zakman) ) B77: Trying to focus everyone exclusively on Zak pile. Again and again and again. hil: Trying to focus everyone exclusively away from Zak pile MW: "Well, I have agreed to die R4, so I don't really know why it's "convenient". The only way I don't die that round is if R2 or PD are wolf." This suggests you think you would be cleared if PD were a mafia. When PD is mafia he is planning on dying, so clearing the other mafia as he goes down is very important. Here's where I start to have trouble. There's simply too many accusations flying around.
1. I think it's strange that we have Bernek pushing so adamantly for the Zak pile, while hilikuS is going in the opposite direction. 2. The interaction between PD and MW regarding policy lynches is worrisome simply because it feels like it may be PD trying to set up for his own demise, something he has to try to do as mafia. This is only true, however, if MW is a mafia as well, something that seems less likely with PD voting for MW. If MW dies first (and both PD and MW are mafia), then the cits are virtually guaranteed the game. As such, I think it's a relatively weak line of reasoning and not vote worthy. If PD later dies and is revealed as mafia then I may return to it. 3. I'm in the same boat as everyone else with regard to BernieB. His posts seldom add anything to the game and make it incredibly hard to read him. 4. The post of thror's I cited above feels like someone trying too hard to be a cit. I'm hesitant with regards to it, though, because I feel that most people as mafia strive to avoid this sort of post. So I've been sitting here for a while now trying to finish this post by choosing someone for whom to vote and not being able to decide. Therefore I'm going to get this posted and then take another look at where my vote will go. -Caitiri {SUMMARY: Explains absence, Zakman vote, current suspicions.} {SUSPECT: PD, MW, B77, AGM} EDIT: Tracker tag mistake. __________________ Dark Ritual count: 746
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PlasteredDragon Member
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posted March 02, 2010 06:48 PM

Okay votes are due in just a couple hours, and we still have no votes declared from CAI, GAW, JAZ, and MW.We also have no formal announcement of any suspects from CAI, and MW. I'm weirded out by MW's assertion that his plan would be to lynch someone scummy in R2, info lynch me R3, and info lynch himself R4, but when asked who qualifies as 'someone scummy' this round he hasn't listed a single suspect. All he's done is argue about whether and when he should be info lynched and so forth. Seems to me he's talking without talking. So I feel my vote, based mostly on fwy's suspicion of him, and the R0 acting, is beginning to acquire secondary confirmation. I'm not going to post a tally--I think that would be too useful to the wolves, but I will say that I'm surprised we've come this far with 4 votes unannounced. I'm sure there are folks in the Zombie Club right now who are tearing their hair out over some obvious thing we are all missing--I'd hate for that thing to be "you have to ask questions, investigate, and form suspicions if you want to win". With that in mind CAI's quietness is becoming disturbing. {SUSPECT: CAI (too quiet)} {SUMMARY: Some final MW thoughts. A lot of undeclareds. Where's CAI?}
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Caitiri Member
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posted March 02, 2010 06:54 PM

I just got a call and I have to run so I need to get a vote in. I'm going to vote MW because I think it would give us the most information at this point.-Caitiri {VOTING: MW (info)} __________________ Dark Ritual count: 746
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PlasteredDragon Member
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posted March 02, 2010 06:58 PM

@CAI: Oooh! You Sarnathed me! I'm glad you are okay--prolonged absences make me nervous.It would appear from your embedded post links that your tracker is functioning. I hope that's working out okay for you. You'll be pleased to know I'm working on v3.2 and it has a couple nice new features: 1. Handles broken quotes -- some folks can't seem to manage [quote]s and they often make broken ones--which of course messes up the tracker because it's looking at quoted text and thinking it belongs to the poster. That should be fixed now. 2. Autosummary -- v3.2 has a feature where it takes the first nonquoted chunk of a persons post and can use it as a "first try" summary. For a lot of posts this works out quite well and requires only minor edits. Saves a lot of time on the note-taking. (The feature can be switched on and off, and you can control how much of the post is used as a starting summary... anywhere from 55 to 255 characters.) After the game is over, let me know if you are interested and I will send you an upgraded v3.2 tracker to use in the future. {SUMMARY: Sarnathed by CAI. Tracker v3.2.}
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Gawain Member
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posted March 02, 2010 07:01 PM

I was all hell-bent on voting Caitiri as I was catching up with the thread, and then one of the very last posts is this nice, long, well thought-out post from him with lots of details, footnotes, and information.Shoot me in the face, I work too much for this. This has to be one of the hardest early-game set-ups I've seen in a long time just in terms of how many suspicious people there are, and why, and how many people are equally hard to read. It honestly has my head spinning. I think for this round I'm going to stick with my initial inclination and vote Caitiri; this previous post of his was good stuff, but one detailed post does not an active player make. I realize it's weak, but it's honestly all I have to go on. Most of the other theories floating about right now seem too...I dunno, too much like traps that Mafia could easily trip us all into. Vote submitted for Caitiri. {SUMMARY: Flustered, best theory is Caitiri.} {SUSPECT: PD, Caitiri, BoT}
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PlasteredDragon Member
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posted March 02, 2010 07:03 PM

quote: Originally posted by Caitiri: I just got a call and I have to run so I need to get a vote in. I'm going to vote MW because I think it would give us the most information at this point.-Caitiri {VOTING: MW (info)}
Ermmm. After a round of no suspects and no declared votes, I'm not sure MW qualifies as much of an info-lynch this round.Last round he was similarly spare -- we have only his vote for Jaz as a suspicion he was willing to unambiguously declare. {SUMMARY: @CAI - MW seems a poor choice as an info lynch.}
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PlasteredDragon Member
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posted March 02, 2010 07:10 PM

Oh! One last thing I wanted to mention. We may get a vigilante tonight. The upside of this new role is that we can take out a wolf when there isn't enough cit support to do it via a lynch. I just want to make sure that people have considered the downside as well. If the vigilante is wrong he dies, his target dies, and the wolves get a kill--three cits dead in one night. Our extra round would evaporate--though the process of rapidly eliminating 2 cits might help us narrow down who the wolves are.With great power comes great responsibility... so let's try and keep that in mind--the vigilante doesn't HAVE to use his or her power. {SUMMARY: cautionary thoughts on vigilante role}
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thror Member
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posted March 02, 2010 07:30 PM

As I understood it, the Vigilante is possible but unlikely right this round.quote: Originally posted by Liq: During Night Rounds 1, 2, and 3, it will be randomly determined in a weighted fashion if there will be a Night Action for the Vigilante.
Oh, hang on a second. I swore vigilante was N2, 3, and 4? Liq, if you're reading this, can you confirm/correct which Night Rounds may have Vigilante action? EDIT: From the UBB Game Discussion Thread:
quote: Originally posted by Liq: can only be active during R2,3,or 4.
Confused now. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."
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Liq Member
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posted March 02, 2010 08:05 PM

R0 Night Action Round 1 R1 Lynch R1 Night Action - Viligante Possibility 1 Round 2 R2 Lynch R2 Night Action - Viligante Possibility 2 Round 3 R3 Lynch R3 Night Action - Viligante Possibility 3{SUMMARY: Vigilante Night Action Possibilities} __________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
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Liq Member
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posted March 02, 2010 09:07 PM

As I'm missing a good chunk of votes, Deadline Extended. 12 Hours. 9 AM. MOTL Time.__________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
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Jazaray Moderator
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posted March 02, 2010 09:10 PM

quote: Originally posted by Liq: As I'm missing a good chunk of votes, Deadline Extended. 12 Hours. 9 AM. MOTL Time.
I thought votes were due at midnight, MOTL time? As for my vote, there's really not that much to go on, right now.. All I have are really low suspicions.. I've voted for MW, as I think that's the best option right now. Thanks, Jazaray __________________ A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick: There was a nice lassie named Jaz Many wished to have what she has, A delicate face, A soft warm embrace, And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom. Very interesting idea from a friend of mine.
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Caitiri Member
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posted March 02, 2010 09:14 PM

quote: Originally posted by PlasteredDragon: Ermmm. After a round of no suspects and no declared votes, I'm not sure MW qualifies as much of an info-lynch this round.Last round he was similarly spare -- we have only his vote for Jaz as a suspicion he was willing to unambiguously declare. {SUMMARY: @CAI - MW seems a poor choice as an info lynch.}
You may be right with this. I had to decide without too much thought before I ran out the door, but since votes are extended I have a bit more time to look things over. -Caitiri {SUMMARY: Responds to PD regarding MW info-lynch.} EDIT: Embedded quotes. __________________ Dark Ritual count: 746
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Liq Member
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posted March 02, 2010 10:05 PM

quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: I thought votes were due at midnight, MOTL time?
Kinda buried but it was 8 PM MOTL time.pt.1 post #183 : 8 PM Tuesday __________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
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Caitiri Member
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posted March 02, 2010 10:21 PM

quote: Originally posted by Liq:
Kinda buried but it was 8 PM MOTL time.pt.1 post #183 : 8 PM Tuesday
Could we perhaps have a standardized time for all votes for the rest of the game? I was under the impression it was midnight as well. -Caitiri {SUMMARY: Asks for standardized voting time.} __________________ Dark Ritual count: 746
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