I've tried to put my thoughts into words a few times, but I'm having a hard time explaining what has lead to my suspicions. I reread the thread with the knowledge of who's a cit and who's a wolf, and I tried to imagine what the wolves would be thinking at each step of a game. They had to make decisions regarding where to vote: when to vote with each other and when not to, when to follow the crowd and when to stand apart. They had to make decisions regarding how to act in the thread: who to argue with, who to suspect, who to trust. It is based on these factors and what I know about them from playing as a wolf that I made my decision to vote XPR. I suspected TMB largely due to his absence and the long wait at the beginning of the game, but after reading through he didn't seem to fit the wolf character as well. That's a hard judgment to make due to his lack of posting, but XPR stood out more to me. I do, however, have a tendency to get somewhat tunneled, reading with the expectation that one or more person might be a wolf and missing clues to it actually being someone else. As such I'm going to try and go back and read everyone else's suspicions more thoroughly to see what I might have missed. As it stands right now though I'm still leaning toward XPR.

-Caitiri

As I said before, MW/Jaz doesn't make a lot of sense in this mafia crew. Both Bernie and Dakrum called both out, and you very rarely see the other two mafia call out the third, usually just one will, since it's too easy a line otherwise. Not to mention, Bernie went out of his way to call MW/Jaz out, when Dakrum was also in the pile he mentioned.

XPR does seem abnormally aggressive for a w00f player, but I don't know if that's within his normal play.

Caitiri does seem to be lurking, not contributing much but quick to jump on a pile. I don't think I need to tell you that it usually indicates w00fishness.

Fwy I have absolutely no read on. I haven't looked that strongly at his posts, as I don't have a lot of time here, but nothing screams w00f to me.

Monty makes sense with the initial w00f lag, however, he doesn't fit the immediate PD kill, unless he's been faking his inactivity and is actually lurking.

I will say regarding the initial w00f lag....it doesn't necessarily have to be an inactive player at the time. Based on the first two w00fs, if the third was also a less-experienced or weaker player, they would've taken a bit to strategize and decide. This also goes against the Jaz for mafia theory.

I'll check once more before votes are due (9 EST right?) to see if anything else comes up, but right now I'm voting Bruised.

Bruisd: Monty
Cait: XPR
fwy: XPR
Monty: XPR
MW: Bruised
Mystic: Bruised
XPR: Monty

I'm far more suspicious of Monty than of XPR. I know it'll cause a tie, but I'm going to have to vote for Monty. I just don't think that xpr would have still offered to be lynched if he was the final wolf. I also don't think that BB and dak would have BOTH pointed to the non-mor pile if there were two wolves there.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

Also fwy that is ur opinion. I don't think my game has been bad and I'm not going to get involved In ur ****ing contest that uve been enticing me to do all game.

In case I don't make it past lynch my suspicions are:
montague, bruised, cait (trying to cruise into final rnd by just voting and not saying why). I think pd may have been onto something when he mentioned his suspicion of cait. That is the way I am leaning In order from top suspicion to lowest.

There is a tie.
Re-votes are due tomorrow night.
Must choose between Montague and XplicitR only.

Plead your cases guys!

~MM

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seeing as my worst fears have been confirmed in that there is a divide caused by montagues choose 1 or the other post I think that mm should just put me as the lynch. After all cait declared me and "didn't have the time to vote". So it should be me lynched by one.

The longer this end game drags out the more silent this game is going to be with these crop of players so just put it as me and move onto next rnd.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
So masterwolf last minute hops onto the wagon for me from bruised

seeing as my worst fears have been confirmed in that there is a divide caused by montagues choose 1 or the other post I think that mm should just put me as the lynch. After all cait declared me and "didn't have the time to vote". So it should be me lynched by one.

The longer this end game drags out the more silent this game is going to be with these crop of players so just put it as me and move onto next rnd.

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Edit: I'm not gonna sink to your level, so nevermind.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Players ~ Their vote
Bruised ~ Monty
Caitiri ~ None
fwybwed ~ XplicitR
Jazaray ~ Monty
MagicMystic ~ Bruised
MasterWolf ~ XplicitR
Monty ~ XplicitR
XplicitR ~ Monty

There is a tie.
Re-votes are due tomorrow night.
Must choose between Montague and XplicitR only.

Plead your cases guys!

~MM

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Seriously? I swear I sent mine in for XPR.

-Caitiri

EDIT: Just checked my outbox and it appears I was mistaken. XPR, I did have time to vote, I just thought I had already sent it in when it appears I hadn't. Sorry for my mistake guys.

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Originally posted by Montague:
Edit: I'm not gonna sink to your level, so nevermind.

Just get over yourself.

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Montague I don't know where u get this from

you are voting for me out of spite and in voting for ubased on tmbs actions. I think u should get over urself. U talk abt bad play and then go hey cits why don't u choose one or the other. Even if ur not a wolf and I'm lynched u think no one is still gonna suspect u? Please.

And even worse u post something terrible and then have the nerve to edit it andsay that ur basically better than me. Pretty classy if u ask me.
Mm u got the confirmation, i'm supposed to be lynched.

please look into montague, bruised and cait

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Montague I don't know where u get this from

you are voting for me out of spite and in voting for ubased on tmbs actions. I think u should get over urself. U talk abt bad play and then go hey cits why don't u choose one or the other. Even if ur not a wolf and I'm lynched u think no one is still gonna suspect u? Please.

And even worse u post something terrible and then have the nerve to edit it andsay that ur basically better than me. Pretty classy if u ask me.
Mm u got the confirmation, i'm supposed to be lynched.

Good job Monty, if ur a wolf I applaud u. If not well...then u know.

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I Havent talked about bad play. I have talked about how much of a jerk you are being. The only person that has talked about being bad players is you.

I didnt post something terrible. I posted something sarcastic, like all of your posts have been.

You think that you are this great mafia/werewolf player, but the realitiy is that you havent done anything. This is just like the last game where you get tunnel vision for me based on something that is completely wrong, and then we end up giving the wolves an easy out for 2 cit lynches.

Maybe you should quit blaming everybody else and look at yourself for once.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:

That being said, I will switch my vote to either XPR or Monty if need to be prevent some voting turnout of 2, 2, 1, 1 or the like. I suggest you do the same. I don't think we should spread out too thin. We have the advantage of numbers. We should use it.

For now, my vote is Bruised. I can be convinced to vote XPR, as his last couple posts have been too "busy" for me. For someone who didn't mind info-dying 2 rounds ago, all of a sudden he really really wants to stay alive.

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I switched to XPR because Monty switched and before I saw your post Mystic.

P.S. Cat's no-voting near the end is something he did awhile ago as scum. Just a head's up.

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Originally posted by Montague:
I Havent talked about bad play. I have talked about how much of a jerk you are being. The only person that has talked about being bad players is you.

I didnt post something terrible. I posted something sarcastic, like all of your posts have been.

You think that you are this great mafia/werewolf player, but the realitiy is that you havent done anything. This is just like the last game where you get tunnel vision for me based on something that is completely wrong, and then we end up giving the wolves an easy out for 2 cit lynches.

Maybe you should quit blaming everybody else and look at yourself for once.

Even if you are a cit, you were completely wrong so either way a cit would have been lynched this round whether it is you or me.

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Montague I am not blaming everybody else. I am blaming you. I never said I am the best mafia/ww player or even suggested it, but who said you are? You have done even "less" than I have.

I'm not tunnel visioned I have put out the 3 characters I suspect the most. Montague your reason for voting me is spite and you know it. You can try to coat it with whatever you want but its the truth.

You say: "This is just like the last game where you get tunnel vision for me based on something that is completely wrong, and then we end up giving the wolves an easy out for 2 cit lynches." - completely wrong? You are the one who was acting like scum.

Like I said and maybe you can read it this one last time....

"I suspect you based on TMBs behaviour more so than your own so you can stop crying about how much I am tunneling
on you"

Your borderline insults are really starting to get to me so stop making this so personal.

@Masterwolf, have you have been more active on this board in the last couple days, despite me having the busy schedule?

@Magic, where is this tunnel vision and aggressiveness idea coming from? I accuse Monty based on TMBs behavior and he gets all defensive and his whole defense is pretty much "WELL U ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND THINK UR THE BEST ". Talk about someone being a jerk. How is that even a defense? If you think I play with too much emotion then I can understand you wanting to get rid of me.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Montague I don't know where u get this from

you are voting for me out of spite and in voting for ubased on tmbs actions. I think u should get over urself. U talk abt bad play and then go hey cits why don't u choose one or the other. Even if ur not a wolf and I'm lynched u think no one is still gonna suspect u? Please.

And even worse u post something terrible and then have the nerve to edit it andsay that ur basically better than me. Pretty classy if u ask me.
Mm u got the confirmation, i'm supposed to be lynched.

Good job Monty, if ur a wolf I applaud u. If not well...then u know.

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This is the post that I draw the "too much emotion" from. As I've said, I'm not really confident that either of you are w00f, but I have to vote for one of you. Even your last post, the "let's just get this over with" is a bit overdramatic. Not to mention you insisting people lynch you in just about every post, and saying you should be lynched since Cait declared you or whatnot. So yeah, right now, you're emotional.

Myself when I voted for BB over you and we hung a WW. It couldnt be more obvious way to vote...and so did U!!! and LAST I may add...

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Originally posted by Xpr:
Okay you convinced me. Although one vote doesn't really matter considering everyone is voting for BernieB, I will vote for him as well.

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Originally posted by Xpr:
So masterwolf last minute hops onto the wagon for me from bruised

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same thing you did above, except we never bagged a WW due to a tie. Especially since his one vote on Bruised "wouldn't really matter"! lol

I have voted for you once again.

and you have been insulting this whole game to me, Bot and Monty.

according to u we are all "useless" To me you are calling us a waste of a spot in this game, YET we never gave any WRONG information,...Names, and Threads. U stated "Questions" there was 1 (ONE) question and it was regarding "HOW????" and the question asked was not even allowed to be asked as per thread RULES....IF we went with your post on JOSH and lynched him for it, GUESS WHAT!!!??? Seer!!!!.

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Originally posted by Xpr:
I am voting for JoshSherman...something he said in the PFS felt kind of weird to me (He had asked about ryan's questions and if they were allowed). I feel like a wolf would more likely be more defensive about that kind of stuff than a cit.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
P.S. Cat's no-voting near the end is something he did awhile ago as scum. Just a head's up.

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Yeah, that was a strategy we used when it made sense to do so. Essentially I stopped posting and voting and just fell off the radar. In this case that would make no sense as a wolf, especially considering that people already suspect me. That strategy works when everyone is focused on other people, and is best when there is at least one other wolf remaining to continuing manipulating the crowd. It would make no sense to attempt that strategy in this case. My missed votes are solely due to my own oversight, once PMing to the wrong person when I was in a rush, and once thinking I had already submitted my vote.

I'm going to wait and see the verdict on Monty/XPR before trying to draw any more conclusions. I've voted for XPR.

-Caitiri

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by MagicMystic:
This is the post that I draw the "too much emotion" from. As I've said, I'm not really confident that either of you are w00f, but I have to vote for one of you. Even your last post, the "let's just get this over with" is a bit overdramatic. Not to mention you insisting people lynch you in just about every post, and saying you should be lynched since Cait declared you or whatnot. So yeah, right now, you're emotional.

On another note, anyone else find it really weird that Caitiri first sent his vote to Jaz, and then no-voted? I don't think a whole lot can be drawn from it, other than what MW brought up....the difference though is that the non-votes make little sense. I can see it being worthwhile with another w00f involved, but what does it do now? Just writing as I think here, since I don't have a lot of time, sorry if it's contradictory, but it is very odd, you would think after accidentally sending it to Jaz that he'd be more careful on this last vote. Maybe, if he's w00f, he's doing it to avoid being in a pile?

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The reason I want to be voted off is because nothing I have said since round 2 has been taken seriously because according to fwy and others "I am a wolf". Let me die and then look into what I have been saying the whole time.

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Originally posted by Montague:
Obviously me and Xpr are not going to see eye to eye, so I agree with him. Lets just get this round over with. Maybe we will get lucky and the wolf will kill the one of us that is left.

I apoligize to all of the citizens for letting this happen again.

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+1, I apologize as well.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
Xpr you seem to be pointing out a couple of us that switched votes...

Myself when I voted for BB over you and we hung a WW. It couldnt be more obvious way to vote...and so did U!!! and LAST I may add...

same thing you did above, except we never bagged a WW due to a tie. Especially since his one vote on Bruised "wouldn't really matter"! lol

I have voted for you once again.

and you have been insulting this whole game to me, Bot and Monty.

according to u we are all "useless" To me you are calling us a waste of a spot in this game, YET we never gave any WRONG information,...Names, and Threads. U stated "Questions" there was 1 (ONE) question and it was regarding "HOW????" and the question asked was not even allowed to be asked as per thread RULES....IF we went with your post on JOSH and lynched him for it, GUESS WHAT!!!??? Seer!!!!.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xpr:
I am voting for JoshSherman...something he said in the PFS felt kind of weird to me (He had asked about ryan's questions and if they were allowed). I feel like a wolf would more likely be more defensive about that kind of stuff than a cit.

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Go reread what you have written the whole game to me and yeah I guess you have never been wrong. It was my round 1 vote based on almost nothing and I had said that. You of course would condemn me for that...go figure.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Wow XPR. You are being a bit.. much. I visit my parents on Saturdays and I knew I wouldn't be home until after 11pm, so, I submitted my vote for Monty right after the tie. But, after waking up this morning and reading all this BS, I'm switching my vote to you. It doesn't really make much of a difference, because everyone else is also voting for you, but I wanted to let you know that your last few posts have been really out there.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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I am not saying that I am not emotional but there is no way I was going to stand by and let people belittle my own integrity. I don't take accusations and votes personal but I do when someone says my play is bad, or that "I am too busy" and I retaliate in kind.

If I have angered any of you I apologize.

Everyone voted XPR except for XPR who voted Montague.

Another everyday average villager has bit the dust...
Speaking of villagers biting the dust:

It was just another night for MeddlingMage. He was sitting there, watching his Dora find her way across the bridge, when he heard a knock at his door. He slowly walked towards his boarded up door and looked through the peephole. A familiar figure stood there. “What do you want?” Asked MeddlingMage. “Hey MM! I was hoping that I could crash here with you, ever since Josh went spouting off on how I’m not involved in this whole mess, I’ve been kinda scared.” MeddlingMage sighed. “Alright, go on over to the window over there,” he said, pointing towards the right. “It’s easier than taking the whole door down.” MagicMystic yipped for joy, “Oh, THANKS Man! I can’t tell you how much… hey... what was that?” Ever so faintly, the sound of footsteps on the stone walk was heard. “MM, HURRY! Someone’s coming!” The footsteps quickened. MeddlingMage was breaking boards off of his window as fast as he could when, “AAAHHHH!!!!! You furry-faced scumsucker! Let me go!” A voice in the darkness spoke. “They say that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain...They are, of course, wrong, as you will soon discover, when I bury my teeth into your flesh.” MeddlingMage hears a quick intake of breath, followed by a low growl. MagicMystic’s final scream went from a piercing shriek to a sick, wet, gurgling. Meddlingmage quickly boarded up his window again, and ran upstairs, disheartened by the fact that he’d lost yet another friend.

Villagers, your votes are due Tuesday.

~MM

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