Here's an interesting post to consider:

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Originally posted by BernieB:
11 people voted for Morbid, more than enough to hide the wolves, it seems like an obvious observation, but I would bet there are at least two in there. I would not doubt that 1 was out of the mix, just to separate himself out and not appear to be part of lynching a villager.

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So, lying or telling the truth? Perhaps you can tell based on my suspicions that I'm not sure.

-Caitiri

Xpr and Jaz.

Xpr - the reason I switched to BB was upon PD's blunt post towards his information.

At first, I was feeling that he was telling me that you were not the one to pursue thru "Tunneling" So I had decided to go with Jazaray, my second suspect. Then he posted in regards to no one readings his posts. I had thought he was the seer, good play by the way.

Both you and Dak voted Josh in the morbid round. I had assumed with others that the non morbid pile was the way to go...Later on you offered to take one for the Village it was slightly suspicious. Alot of what you have stated seems to be close to bluffing.

@ Xpr - Since you were willing to take that lynch are you still willing now?

Bruised Voted MW which makes me wonder if he made his vote and didnt bother to read on afterwards...I dont know.

MW voted Jaz R1, then Voted BOT R2, then BB Pile in R3

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Originally posted by MW:
I think we need the Dakrum lynch to go through before we can continue. If he is/is not the wolf leader gives us more information.
I'd like to start doing a pile analysis of the first 2 lynches now that we know 2 wolves, and see if that helps us find the third.

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Originally posted by MW:
I don't think we're going to get any more action until Dak/Josh are gone, which is a big shame, because we have 2 comfirmed cits who could be giving us their unbiased opinions right now. We should be using Josh and Mystic to gather trustworthy analysis.
MM, you might need to just move on to the next round.

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This seems rushed to me, as if you want to get the round over with to get names in for a Shred...

Im gonna read more tmrw...

-Caitiri

{VOTING: XPR}

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Originally posted by Caitiri:
Changed my mind upon further reading. Currently voting XPR.

-Caitiri

{VOTING: XPR}

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Could you give a reason or do you just want to vote silently in the shadows?

Players under the radar:
Cat
Bruised
fwy

Until just recently, they have been able to avoid scrutiny and suspicion pretty well without posting too much. It's worth noting, but I don't know what it means.

Bruised not voting for the "confirmed" wolf in Bernie could be a common noob wolf mistake. It doesn't make obvious sense to vote for your fellow wolf and if you're not experienced this could be a trap. Furthermore, his post before the Bernie reveal was pretty god-awful and full of bad arguments.

I think I'm voting Bruised right now.

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Originally posted by Montague:
Bruised- What is funny is that when I first started reading the thread, well before I was replacing TMB, His post stood out to me.

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I am sure that the Wolves are just being dramatic in order to give my first game the maximum amount of suspense, or they just don't check PM's, ever.

Now, I don't really know why that stood out to me but it was my first "gut" feeling I guess.

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It took a whole day after I posted that for the kill to come in.

As for my defense of B_o_T I felt he was a citizen who tried to do a little too much (sorta like me) and as a result he got killed. It turned out he was a citizen, so my hunch was correct. The moral of the story is, if your a citizen who does some wonky things you'll die, as I undoubtedly will.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Could you give a reason or do you just want to vote silently in the shadows?

@ fwy, I am willing to go if it means everything I have said will be looked into. My top suspects thus far are: TMB (Montague), Bruised and then Jazaray. I am mildly suspicious of Cait but that is only because PD was.

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I would also like to know what it was that you saw that caused you to change your vote.

Here are my thoughts of the players that are left:

Bruised: He's made several errors so far, and some of them *could* be n00b wolf mistakes. His insistence that BOT was a cit could be exactly what Monty said, a wolf trying to buddy onto a cit. His last post also strikes me as him trying too hard. Med-low suspicion.

Caitiri: I remember playing as a WW with him, a few games ago or so and he played pretty silently. I'm seeing some similarities between then and now with him. Med Suspicion.

fwy: He has been playing very OOC, IMO. Not as combative as he usually is, not tunneling as much as he usually does, and he actually came up with an idea that I agreed with. VERY unusual () High Suspicion.

MW: I'm still quite suspicious of him. He's not posting much, not even as much as he was before. His problems with getting online could be why there was a lag in the WW kill's, and he really does NOT like playing with AGM. I could see him offing AGM because it would be "too obvious". However, as both BB and dak were pushing toward the non-mor pile, my suspicions of MW have dropped, slightly. Med-High suspicion.

TMB/Monty: TMB's lack of being able to get online much could also be why there was a lag in the WW kill's. He's been nearly silent the whole game, even after Monty took over. He also seems to be going with the easy bandwagon, as just about everyone left is suspicious of Bruised. High suspicion.

XPR: Again, I'm still suspicious of XPR, but it has decreased with BB and dak both trying to point us toward the non-mor pile. I still think that XPR tends to initiate arguments, but maybe that's just how he plays. I noticed he pretty much stopped doing this, after our last conversation. I'm not sure if that's because he's calmed down a bit, or because he's trying not to be as suspicious. His offer to still be lynched has also decreased my suspicions of him, I don't think that the last wolf would offer such a thing, with us actually being able to do so, without it being our "last" chance. Med-low suspicion.

Right now, I'm leaning towards voting fwy or Monty, more so fwy.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

I think we should vote for montague this round, I made my case in my summary and he basically slipped up many times and is inactive. We have a couple free rnds but do we want someone like that when it's last rnd?

I still do suspect bruised but I think at least bruised will contribute or hang himself. Usually in these cases the final wolf is quiet and just hops onto wagons as those who discuss a lot are targets for lynchs

let's get a cit win, Josh and pd played great games to give us this chance...let's not ruin it.

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Originally posted by Bruised:
I am going to vote Montague as he is the highest on my suspicion list. I feel like he realizes that this is the end for him unless he can get the wagon firmly placed on me.

It took a whole day after I posted that for the kill to come in.

As for my defense of B_o_T I felt he was a citizen who tried to do a little too much (sorta like me) and as a result he got killed. It turned out he was a citizen, so my hunch was correct. The moral of the story is, if your a citizen who does some wonky things you'll die, as I undoubtedly will.

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If I was a wolf then I would have not put this game in the back of my mind so early. I would have posted more frequently. Guys, we went thru this last game. I got lynched because I got busy at work and didnt post much. Was I Mafia? No. That isnt how I play.

How do you get the feeling that I feel this is the end for me? It's weird how you try to make it look like if I don't get a wagon on you then I feel like I am going to die, but you were the one who declared for me after I declared for you. It looks like you are the one who is voting to stay alive in my eyes.

Edit: XpR posted this while I was posting:

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
With some of our more experienced players no longer in the game we need to have an active discussion after all only 1 wolf left in the remaining players. As such that is why you were on my list jaz because u went quiet for a little while there

I think we should vote for montague this round, I made my case in my summary and he basically slipped up many times and is inactive. We have a couple free rnds but do we want someone like that when it's last rnd?

I still do suspect bruised but I think at least bruised will contribute or hang himself. Usually in these cases the final wolf is quiet and just hops onto wagons as those who discuss a lot are targets for lynchs

let's get a cit win, Josh and pd played great games to give us this chance...let's not ruin it.

In summary I am voting montague. If there is another rnd we can discuss that later (I don't want to give the last wolf anymore info than I need to)

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Wow, this seems extremely fake. You are playing super negative all game and then you come out with "come on guys, lets come together and get this last wolf"

Please explain to me where I "slipped up". I agree that I have been inactive, but I will no longer apoligize to you people for the fact that I have other obligations then a silly little forum game. It was a mistake to agree to even come into this game.

With this post XpR, assuming that you are not the wolf, it is still bad because you basically just gave the wolf and easy bandwagon to jump on that you will gain zero information from. I get killed and we discover what? Oh that TMB had other obligations and that Montague was telling the truth. Wow. That will help you later in the game. I just think it is ridiculous that you say I slipped up when I had one post of any substance before your post.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Could you give a reason or do you just want to vote silently in the shadows?

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I'll just vote silently in the shadows, thanks. :P

No, honestly it's a culmination of interactions and posts from the first thread of this game that led me to changing my vote to you. I have a hard time putting it into words though, and I still have to reread a bunch of it, so my vote isn't at all final. I'll try to give a better explanation for why when I have a little more time later.

-Caitiri

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Quick post: Monty I was referring to tmbs slipup and you playing inactive and trying to defend it is horrible. I have never been cynical this entire game. Go find where I was and show me. Its funny ppl have been saying I'm too protown and now u 360 and claim opposite. So in short no I'm not bad, it seems you and ur predeccesor tmb are.

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Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Montague:
I don't see where your coming off Jaz. Xpr hasnt said anything that I consider a personal attack and I dont feel that I have either. This is a game where you call people out. It just kinda happens.

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I find this a personal attack, no?

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
So in short no I'm not bad, it seems you and ur predeccesor tmb are.

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Perhaps it's just my opinion, but I DO see this as a personal attack. It's a lot like the ones that got these games shut down before. He's not "calling you out", he's insulting you, as well as TMB.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Hey guys, enough. You want this shut down AGAIN? There's no need for personal attacks here. You want to hate on a specific posting STYLE, or playing STYLE, ok. DO NOT hate on the player.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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I wasn't making a personal attack here.

XPR - voting Monty
Monty - voting Buised
Fwy - ?
Caitiri - voting XPR
Bruised - voting Monty
MW - voting Bruised
Jaz - voting fwy
Mystic - ?

Fwy, you said you're suspicious of both XPR and I, are you voting for one of us? If so, which one? Could you go into more detail on your suspicions? Does XPR saying he'd still offer himself up for a lynch change your mind about him? You also mention some things about MW, but he's not on your suspect list, do you suspect him?

Mystic, more than likely, you're going to be the next WW kill, what are your thoughts? Suspicions?

Caitiri, I know you're busy, but what are your thoughts and suspicions? You said you're voting for XPR, for "some" reason. What reason? You also said you were suspicious of Monty, why?

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

~MM

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Mystic, more than likely, you're going to be the next WW kill, what are your thoughts? Suspicions?

Caitiri, I know you're busy, but what are your thoughts and suspicions? You said you're voting for XPR, for "some" reason. What reason? You also said you were suspicious of Monty, why?

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I actually agree with Jaz pretty strongly though. Mystic, as the only confirmed cit, you're the only one we can trust, and your opinions would be very valued.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Fwy, you said you're suspicious of both XPR and I, are you voting for one of us? If so, which one? Could you go into more detail on your suspicions? Does XPR saying he'd still offer himself up for a lynch change your mind about him? You also mention some things about MW, but he's not on your suspect list, do you suspect him?

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Xpr: He was giving some very WRONG information at the start of this game in regards to Josh, Who Josh was replying to AND the actual thread. He was away for a bit in the beginning because I stated his non answer to my questions I gave him (Lag). He stated that IF he were a WW he would have done the same thing in shredding AGM. He seemed overly anxious to get replacements for players, this was overflowing protown. tho we all have the best interest of the Village in mind this to me was to much. R1 one replacment??? I can't see that hapenning. especially with the history of replacement uncertainty.

Jaz: The time lag seemed to go with you, I put in my suspicion due to the time it took for the GM to get a name from the HWW. The defensivness in your replies to suspicion from other players was very aggressive. Assuming an argument was been put in front of you. You refused to continue.(I understand). Dak nad BB both had you in some context of suspicion but you never gave them the time of day Xpr or I on our suspicions...now you are asking questions...when does that happen? Its like a whole new Jaz, trying to blend??

As for MW, Idon't know where to stand yet on him. like you, he seems to have come out and posting all positive and protownish... "guys the votes are due...." or "MM you are a confirmed cit, buddy buddy buddy..."

Ill place a vote this after noon.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
Xpr: He was giving some very WRONG information at the start of this game in regards to Josh, Who Josh was replying to AND the actual thread. He was away for a bit in the beginning because I stated his non answer to my questions I gave him (Lag). He stated that IF he were a WW he would have done the same thing in shredding AGM. He seemed overly anxious to get replacements for players, this was overflowing protown. tho we all have the best interest of the Village in mind this to me was to much. R1 one replacment??? I can't see that hapenning. especially with the history of replacement uncertainty.

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Ok, I can kinda see where you're coming from here. You didn't answer one of my questions though. "Does XPR saying he'd still offer himself up for a lynch change your mind about him?"

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Originally posted by fwybwed:

Jaz: The time lag seemed to go with you, I put in my suspicion due to the time it took for the GM to get a name from the HWW. The defensivness in your replies to suspicion from other players was very aggressive. Assuming an argument was been put in front of you. You refused to continue.(I understand). Dak nad BB both had you in some context of suspicion but you never gave them the time of day Xpr or I on our suspicions...now you are asking questions...when does that happen? Its like a whole new Jaz, trying to blend??

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Ok, I'll touch on this subject ONE more time. I wasn't inactive. I don't post much during r1. That's all it was. It's already been said that I tend to post even more as the game progresses. You seem to be another one that is taking my performance in that last mafia game as how I "normally" play. It's not. That was OOC for me, and I was very surprised that I didn't get lynched for it.

Yes, I told him that I refused to continue the battle, it wasn't getting us anywhere. However, I did answer his questions after that anyways.

I'll agree that I do tend to be defensive, but it's something I do whether I'm a cit or a WW. I can't seem to help it.

I'm not sure where you're getting this "you never gave them the time of day" idea. I did have BB on my suspicion list, although it wasn't a high suspicion. I also don't see why that's odd, do you have everyone that suspects you on your suspicion list?

As for why I'm asking questions, no one has been posting. The votes are due tonight and we can't win this if we're not communicating. It's like, once PD is gone, everyone stops posting. The more we can get everyone to post, the more likely it will be that the last WW slips up.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

I will have my iPhone on me as usual so I will try to pop in and read but will be limited to posting very little (I can post large amounts but I cannot open more than 1 page at a time like I can on my computer, this will lead to a lot of misquotings and bad information as I will be relying more on my memory than looking at something twice) - This is exactly why people find me suspicious because my usage of my iPhone has resulted in some bad misquotations.

If we spread our votes to 4 different people, the mafia can influence the person who gets lynched much more easily.

That being said, I will switch my vote to either XPR or Monty if need to be prevent some voting turnout of 2, 2, 1, 1 or the like. I suggest you do the same. I don't think we should spread out too thin. We have the advantage of numbers. We should use it.

For now, my vote is Bruised. I can be convinced to vote XPR, as his last couple posts have been too "busy" for me. For someone who didn't mind info-dying 2 rounds ago, all of a sudden he really really wants to stay alive.

I'll try and check before votes are due, but MM, this post counts as my vote for Bruised if there are any PM issues.

It's going to be the same crap this game and to be honest I don't want to suffer through another game of Xpr telling me how horrible I am. I have better things to do with my time.

I'm going to switch my vote to Xpr, knowing that it is going to leave me open to being lynched by jumping off bruised. To be clear, I obviously am not jumping on a band wagon, and I still suspect bruised just as much. I am doing it because this round it needs to be me or him because it is going to go nowhere fast with us here. Leaving both of us in this game is only going to hurt the cits because it will be nothing but a fight back and forth.

Thanks,