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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fwybwed:
...I'm not sure where to vote...there is alot of noninformation floating around by some players and I think that adds to this smoke screen of lagg shreds...

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I believe the Shred lags are the smoke screen.

My answer to YOUR Question

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Originally posted by Fwy:
5. What do you think of the possibility that by devoting so much thought/talk to the wolf lag-time, we may have clued the wolves into a useful strategy to keep us distracted?

A. It could be a ploy to create some sort of smoke screen. But imo I feel we need to weed out the silent or non active as avoid this situation. The lag time in submitting seems to be a strategy for now but non the less we all came with a plan for the policy lynch and it always seems to fall to the side.[/b]

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@Jaz

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
How do you know a lot of "villagers" are doing this? I mean, how do you know they're villagers? I know, it might just be slip of the tongue and all, but this is very much like what happened with Caitiri a while ago, when he posted that GLE was a cit (IIRC), and again another time with someone else (I forget the exact details).

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Everyone is a villager until....(Innocent till proven guilty right?)

I was speaking as a whole, that people in the game are saying things like "So and so are very suspicous, but I have so and so on my suspect list blah blah...blah...)

Makes it hard to read others actual feelings.

As for Xpr, He has gotten so much of his information mixed up or wrong, I fail to see the usefulness in his arguments as he has already shown us the quality of it. Im amused by his willingness to get strung up to assit in the pile cleansing.

In saying that i am goin to vote for... Jazaray.

Jes letting us know you are around eh MW ?

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
...I strongly suggest you vote for Bernie...

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Ever get the feeling people weren't reading your posts?

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Don't worry PD, I read your posts.

Voting BB

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
Jes letting us know you are around eh MW ?

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Yes. Since people (Josh) still assume I wasn't around in the beginning of the game, I feel the need to make my presence known.

Lets start with the late PGB's assessment of MW:

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Originally posted by PGB:
Medium to highly suspicious- Masterwolf

I suspect him based on his very negative view of AGM. He had a couple bad games, that enough to round one lynch him? Similarly, he seems to suspect myself and TMB based on that we have a better respect for AGM's game than he does. If we are to use "Bad cit policy", why didn't he bat an eye at Bernek(no disrespect) before his replacement? Bernek has a laundry list of bad cit performances compared to AGM. Basically, AGM's round zero offing could very well be an attempt to conspire aginst those who are either for or against him. MW allowed himself to be wrapped up in the think of it.

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Originally posted by B_o_T:
(PD) 3. drawing conclusions contrary to game theory (wolf-identity from R0 kill)

I think you're covering for someone

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MW would later talk about how he suspected TGB and BOT and wouldn't kill off AGM if he was a wolf. Thus he suspected two known cits and then attempts to get a wagon going (is that the proper phrase) on Jaz.

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Originally posted by Masterwolf:
You're too much of a question mark in these games. If it was down to 6 people left, and I was one of them, and I absolutely knew you were a wolf, I would not be able to convince the others to vote for you. And that is why I have to come gunning for you early for playing so silent.

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There wasn't a single reason to start these attacks on Jaz and most of your arguments ran contradictory to your own actions (said she didn't post enough and you posted the same amount as her).

He continues to act ooc this entire game being extremely irritable to the point that this exchange occurs between he and PD…

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
You really seem brusque this game, moreso than in previous games. Condescension and curtness is OOC for you. Maybe you are just hungry for a win, but after seeing in AGM a prime example of what a particularly acerbic play style can achieve, I find it more than odd that you should choose to be harsh.

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Originally posted by Masterwolf:
It's not that it's suspicious, but from observing the last couple games (cause I tend to be on the sidelines early) I feel like the cits spend a large amount of time in the early rounds talking about every possible thing and not focusing on scum hunting. Maybe I'm just tired of being useless while alive in these games, and I really just want to nail wolves.

Nonetheless, you're right, I am stressed out and being abrasive. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna chill out today and maybe I won't be as much of an ass tomorrow.
Peace out guys.

Currently Voting either BoT or Jaz.

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This interaction to me felt like a, “jeez calm it down, you’re going to blow your cover.” This is because instead of calling him out for being ooc he said that oh you must be really hungry to win try to be a little nicer, whereas if anyone else is ooc early on it is extremely suspicious (See BernieB OMG HES OOC LYNCH HIM), MW still hasn't registered a tick on the PD scale.

MW also stated earlier that he was suspicious of BoT because he talked a lot after the first kill, that was his reason, then once BoT suspected him that’s obviously when he decided to shift his vote. He and PD end up being the deciding votes to kill a cit when he was pandering to get Jaz voted out the first two rounds. After all that angst you are going to not vote Jaz?

As for my suspicion of PD, the fact that he is still alive is one of the major suspicions. How could the wolves let him survive so long if all of his useful information were actually useful? My favorite strategy so far has been the lets lynch the group that I’m not in.

The answer to his own question is quite eerie too:

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Given my previously stated opinion of AGM's prior performance, it stands to reason people would expect me to leave him in the game and let him do damage. Therefore killing him would make a lot of sense--it would make me look innocent. As a wolf, my primary concern would be getting seered, my chances of making it to the endgame are extremely remote, and therefore I would try to engineer a sac play for myself so that my wolf buddies would also look innocent. To that end, an apparent disregard for my own suspicious behavior, arousing the suspicions of other players, would be in keeping with this strategy. Heck answering this question alone would fit well with such a plan.
I pile voted on Morbid- probably so that I could hide, and because as he is a question mark I had no idea how to manipulate him or if he would be useful to me. In so doing I helped create an enormous pile to mess up pile analysis.
I was the one who floated the theory about the wolves being incommunicado--precisely because I am a talkative player who is always around. Seeing how that theory resonated probably caused me to deliberately delay the R1 kill.
I've buddied dakrum and Gawain, and even apologized to BOT who I am clearly trying to get killed, probably because he is on to me.
As always, I'm in character, trying to appear helpful--posting reports, posting so much information nobody can read it all and thereby they just start to pay me a little less attention.
Finally, the targets of my suspicion have been easy targets, as opposed to players that aren't already suspected by others.

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The first part of his answer is a complete crock. It was AGM that got PD killed in the very first round of the last game. This is because AGM does not like being led and gets more suspicious the more you talk, who would suffer the most with AGM around, PD obviously.

He pile voted on Morbid- to hide than told us to lynch the smaller group. Just like he stated.

He did kill BoT and he is only going after easy targets.
The fact remains though that he has undoubtedly been seered and when the time comes that will be when the noose is lowered, for now he does stimulate the game and keep the conversation going.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
...I strongly suggest you vote for Bernie...

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Originally posted by MagicMystic:
Wait, does that mean you think TMB is wolf leader? Or you did think TMB was the wolf leader? If I'm not misreading that, why wouldn't you vote for him?

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I still think it's a good fit, but I don't believe you were trying to earn cred by latching onto it. I don't want to vote for him because coincidence is all I have to go on, and I'd like to hear what Monty thinks before I persue this further.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Yes. Since people (Josh) still assume I wasn't around in the beginning of the game, I feel the need to make my presence known.

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What? I don't recall saying this. If I did, however, I recognized that has been cleared up by not mentioning it in my last large post on the previous page.

Caitiri's post on PD on Page 1 was very well thought out and written. But it appears a little bit like buddying without being too direct about it. Caitiri has been under people's radar this game, and he's done that as wolf in the past very well.

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Originally posted by PD:
I disagree with none of this--well except maybe the part about being eloquent.

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You've made it a point to be overly "humble" in both the last two games. One you were a wolf, the other you were not. I don't like it, I never have. But I don't think it makes me suspect you any more than I already would have.

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Originally posted by Mystic:
Bernie- Bernie's last post raises all sorts of red flags to me. He says that he wants to lynch someone in the non-Morbid pile, which is fine. He then states the two people he'd vote for, but his reasoning is utterly nonsensical and has no further explanation. If he was newer, I could buy it, but this last post is ridiculous.

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I agree with this pretty much 100%. Assuming Jaz is a cit, which I am not sure of right now, Bernie would move to near the top of my suspect list.

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Originally posted by Josh:
BernieB- I have nothing

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Really? You have nothing despite the fact that he's posted some pretty out-there posts with little to no analysis? Is this because you don't expect more from him or because you're glossing over a fellow wolf's mistakes?

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Originally posted by PD:
I think BernieB is the best bet right now to bag a wolf... finally somebody OOC.

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I think myself and Jaz have been fairly OOC so far, so this argument might be a stretch.

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Originally posted by PD:
Aras, how much longer is your work-only internet-access situation going to persist? Is this a permanent situation? I would really like to have gotten your insights over the weekend. As it is you are going to have so much reading to get done today I can't imagine you will be able to catch up and work at the same time.

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Work can wait. As of now, I don't know when I'll get internet at home. My computer won't connect to the internet despite connecting to my router and my roomates can get on no problem. If someone is willing to help me by phone fix this, I'd be more than willing to try any troubleshooting. I try and check the thread by phone internet but it's pretty slow goin.

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Originally posted by XPR:
I am voting for Bruised because I absolutely refuse to vote for myself ever. However, if we ever do want to lynch the non-MOR pile we should start doing it as soon as possible. I have work in 15 minutes so I will have to get back to you PD.

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Wait.. What? Who asked you to vote for yourself? Except of course... yourself...

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Originally posted by brusied:
stuff about me

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PGB suspected me for my negative view of AGM, but he was unaware of recent "Developments" so to speak which I explained earlier. Might want to go back and read that. I certainly did suspect 2 known cits. I think the wolves at this point are setting me up. Thanks for pointing that out. Are you trying to set me up too? As for Jaz, I think there were plenty of reasons to attack her and I still believe she would have made a better R1 policy lynch than Morbid. Regardless, it's too late at this point to worry about that, because I don't think we have the luxury of policy lynching any more.

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Originally posted by Bruised:
This interaction to me felt like a, “jeez calm it down, you’re going to blow your cover.” This is because instead of calling him out for being ooc he said that oh you must be really hungry to win try to be a little nicer, whereas if anyone else is ooc early on it is extremely suspicious (See BernieB OMG HES OOC LYNCH HIM), MW still hasn't registered a tick on the PD scale.

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FYI, wolves can just PM each other. So if we were both wolves, he'd just PM me "hey, cool it" and you'd never know.

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Originally posted by Bruised:
MW also stated earlier that he was suspicious of BoT because he talked a lot after the first kill, that was his reason, then once BoT suspected him that’s obviously when he decided to shift his vote. He and PD end up being the deciding votes to kill a cit when he was pandering to get Jaz voted out the first two rounds. After all that angst you are going to not vote Jaz?

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Once again, I think you are failing in the "read and comprehend" part of this game. Either that or you are purposely ignoring my previous posts and my analysis.

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Originally posted by Josh:
What? I don't recall saying this. If I did, however, I recognized that has been cleared up by not mentioning it in my last large post on the previous page.

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Isn't that what NK0 lag concern means? That you think my presence (or lack thereof) could explain the lag for NK0?

Voting Bernie.
Hi-Suspect: Bernie, Bruised
Mid Suspect: Josh, Mystic, Monty, Jaz, XPR

I feel like more and more people seem suspicious to me, which is a BAD thing this late in the game.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
(of PD) You've made it a point to be overly "humble" in both the last two games. One you were a wolf, the other you were not. I don't like it, I never have. But I don't think it makes me suspect you any more than I already would have.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Work can wait. As of now, I don't know when I'll get internet at home. My computer won't connect to the internet despite connecting to my router and my roomates can get on no problem.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
FYI, wolves can just PM each other. So if we were both wolves, he'd just PM me "hey, cool it" and you'd never know.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I feel like more and more people seem suspicious to me, which is a BAD thing this late in the game.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Ever get the feeling people weren't reading your posts?

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You seem so sure, Ill vote your way. but....

@ MW, if I didn't say I wasn't going to vote for myself after saying that I volunteered to go first, then fwyb would ask me why I voted for someone but myself (I have seen a lot of players vote for themselves and it is just idiotic)

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
How do you know a lot of "villagers" are doing this? I mean, how do you know they're villagers? I know, it might just be slip of the tongue and all, but this is very much like what happened with Caitiri a while ago, when he posted that GLE was a cit (IIRC), and again another time with someone else (I forget the exact details).

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Originally posted by Xpr:
@ fwyb - Your arguments have all been trying to pick holes in my arguments. Sure I typed the wrong thread name and was "too honest" for your liking. That being said I like how you find your out to stop being so fixated on me and wagon onto BB.

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Have a read back a bit there Champ.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
Have a read back a bit there Champ.

I found holes in your argument...lol

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
I am halfway between Bruised because I am almost certain he is a wolf, and BernieB because PD is making a bold claim about him and the others seemed to have followed suit. I am not sure who I am voting for yet but I will announce it within the next hour.

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~MM

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I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion and 2007 Captain N award winner.

-Caitiri

{VOTING: BernieB}

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
If you haven't voted yet, please do.

~MM

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