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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Norv Turner didn't miss 3 field goals. Keading did. He hits 1, the game goes to OT. He hits 2, Chargers win.

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But he did try an onside kick when he should have just kicked the ball deep and pinned down the Jets. They wouldn't have gone on 4th and 1 and you get the ball back at around midfield.

The Chargers two minute offense was beyond horrible. That is on Turner and Rivers. ROTFLMAO at the comparison of Rivers to Elway. Elway never had a problem putting points on the board, especially in the 4th quarter (remember The Drive?). He had trouble winning the big one because Denver's defense was terrible. What do 39, 42 and 55 have in common? You lose Super Bowls when your defense allows that many points. When they gave up 24 and 19, they won. Rivers has lost Playoff games when his team has given up 24, 21 and 17.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
"He can't win the big one" has also been said about Manning and Elway. SD gets a good running RB, kicker, and head coach they'll win. They stick with what they have, which looks like they're going to do since they gave Norv an extension, they won't win.

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The Colts running game is worse than the Chargers. That didn't stop them from going 14-0 and making the AFC Championship Game. Manning has also won a Super Bowl with a below average running game. What you are really saying is that Rivers needs a running game to make up for the fact that he just isn't that good.

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Originally posted by rats60:
But he did try an onside kick when he should have just kicked the ball deep and pinned down the Jets. They wouldn't have gone on 4th and 1 and you get the ball back at around midfield.

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The onside kick was a bad call, but can you, or anyone else for that matter, say with 100% certainty that SD kicking the ball deep doesn't end the same way?

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The Chargers two minute offense was beyond horrible. That is on Turner and Rivers.

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Don't forget Vincent Jackson getting flagged for a 15yd unsportsmanlike conduct for kicking the challenge flag, and the rest of San Diego's bone head penalties. Turner and Keading, not Rivers, are at the top of the list of who's to blame for SD losing.

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ROTFLMAO at the comparison of Rivers to Elway. Elway never had a problem putting points on the board, especially in the 4th quarter (remember The Drive?). He had trouble winning the big one because Denver's defense was terrible. What do 39, 42 and 55 have in common? You lose Super Bowls when your defense allows that many points. When they gave up 24 and 19, they won. Rivers has lost Playoff games when his team has given up 24, 21 and 17.

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Yes I remember the drive. Do you remember the Broncos losing their three Super Bowls 39-20, 42-10, and 55-10? You want to talk about Elway not having a defense in those Super Bowls? Don't forget to mention the lack of points John "he had no problem putting up points" Elway failed to put up.

Edit: Guess who else didn't win until he had a good/legitimate running game?

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The Colts running game is worse than the Chargers. That didn't stop them from going 14-0 and making the AFC Championship Game. Manning has also won a Super Bowl with a below average running game.

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Manning won with a below average running game, and Chicago lost with a ******* QB. Btw, didn't the Colts run the ball down Chicago's throat in that game?

And Manning has CHOKED in the playoffs more than he's succeeded.

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What you are really saying is that Rivers needs a running game to make up for the fact that he just isn't that good.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
No, that's what you're saying. Chargers get a running game, they go to the SB. They get a running game and become more disciplined, they win the SB. And discipline is on the coach(s) as much as the players. In the Chargers' case, Norv Turner, not Rivers, is the problem.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Yes I remember the drive. Do you remember the Broncos losing their three Super Bowls 39-20, 42-10, and 55-10? You want to talk about Elway not having a defense in those Super Bowls? Don't forget to mention the lack of points John "he had no problem putting up points" Elway failed to put up.

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In the 1st one, the Broncos where ahead until their defense allowed 5 scoring drives in a row in the 2nd half. 20 points was more than enough to be competitive if they had a defense.

The 2nd one, the Broncos were ahead 10-0 until the defense gave up 35 points in the 2nd quarter. The game was over at halftime, it is no suprise that neither their offense or defense showed up for the 2nd half.

The 3rd one, the Broncos defense only gave up 27 points in the first half, but the game was still over at halftime. Again, the team didn't bother to show up for the 2nd half.

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Originally posted by rats60:
I guess that is why they went to the Super Bowl in 2006 when they had the #2 rushing attack and #1 running back in the NFL and in 2007 when they had the #7 rushing attack and #1 running back in the NFL. Wait, they didn't. They choked in the Playoffs. I agree that Turner is the main problem, but Rivers had already shown that he can't win when he has the best running back in the NFL. So now it is important for him to have another good running back? They still won 11 in a row before choking in the Playoffs. Good running back or over the hill one, the end story is the same. After a good regular season, they choke in the Playoffs.

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They didn't choke. They ran into New England. Hell, there hasn't been a better AFC team all decade than Indy or NE or Pitt.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

Conference Championship games:
Vikings over Saints
Jets over Colts

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I agree with this statement. I also would like to see the Jets beat Favre and show him what he missed. Poetic.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
I agree with this statement. I also would like to see Favre beat the Jets and show them what an uninjured HOF gunsliger can do. Poetic.

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edit:but I'll give you that the Jets are for real, and I really do expect them to win Sunday.

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Fixed that for me

edit:but I'll give you that the Jets are for real, and I really do expect them to win Sunday.

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Favre's endgame was to wind up in Minnesota all along.
I was a huge Favre fan during his GB days. When he was a Jet, I couldn't be happier. I now feel, as I'm sure others do, he used the Jets as a stepping stone to the Vikings as he knew damn well GB would never allow it if they had anything to say about it.

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For the AFC game, however, I really don't see how any of you can pick the Jets. Yes, Revis is a stud and their running game is pretty good. But if you are SERIOUSLY picking Mark Sanchez on the road against Peyton freaking Manning at home, I'd like to place a friendly wager with you. The Jets matched up against SD well. They don't match up against the Colts nearly as well. The Jets were LOSING to the Colts earlier this year before the Colts pulled their starters and the Colts had absolutely nothing to play for!

The Jets have the formula:

Dominant Defense...check
Can run the ball...check
QB that has been managing the game...check

Revis can handle Wayne...again.
If the D hits Peyton a few times he can be frazzled.

Do I think they can beat Indy? Probably not. I didn't think they could beat San Diego tho either. But they did. All I'm saying is that you can't sleep on them.

Remember you don't have to be the best team all year. You just have to be the best team on that day.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Super Bowl:
Saints over Colts

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits on 12/14/09:

Colts/Saints in the Super Bowl. My money's on the Saints.

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Yeah, the Vikes killed themselves with turnovers as is, but how was that interference at the end of the game? Anyone? And how did at LEAST 2 or 3 of those hits on Favre not draw penalties?

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Originally posted by PortlisX:
Not sure if I can even call myself a fan of football any more after the officiating I saw in the Vikings/Saints game.

Yeah, the Vikes killed themselves with turnovers as is, but how was that interference at the end of the game? Anyone? And how did at LEAST 2 or 3 of those hits on Favre not draw penalties?

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The hits didn't draw a penalty b/c the defenders were in motion before Farve released the pass. You can't expect them to defy the laws of motion to keep from hitting Brett. All QBs have to take hits now and then.

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Originally posted by PortlisX:
Not sure if I can even call myself a fan of football any more after the officiating I saw in the Vikings/Saints game.

Yeah, the Vikes killed themselves with turnovers as is, but how was that interference at the end of the game? Anyone? And how did at LEAST 2 or 3 of those hits on Favre not draw penalties?

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There were some questionable calls throughout the game, but that PI call in OT on a pass that was uncatchable was total BS. That said, what killed the Vikes was 2 of the 4 fumbles they lost. Barian's lost fumble deep in Saints territory, and Harvin's fumble that gave NO 1st and Goal and eventually led to a Brees to Bush TD. Favre's bonehead pass at the end of the game that was intercepted, and the 12 men in the huddle penalty also hurt Minnesota.

indy's the favorite and thats where i am putting my gut feeling on

colts win in a shootout over new orleans at the superbowl

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Well I guess the vikings did not want to go the superbowl I suppose. Only reason I can think of for the countless fumbling. If Farve does retire this would make back to back retirements on a playoff interception as his last pass. I don't even think he can retire and still have dignity after that throw.

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It's never a matter of Favre retiring, that's a given. It's the "how long until he unretires again" question that always remains.

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My team can't win when they don't cheat

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Reasons why Brady wasn't mentioned in the MVP race this season:
1) L @Jets (9-7)
2) L @Denver (8-8)
3) W @Tampa Bay (3-13)
4) L @Colts (14-2)
5) L @Saints (13-3)
6) L @Dolphins (7-9)
7) W @Bills (6-10)
8) L @Texans (9-7)
9) Chris Johnson rushed for over 2000 yards and set the record for Yards From Scrimmage
10) Manning, Brees, Favre, and Johnson all had a better year than Brady
11) Manning, Brees, and Favre all won 12+ games and their teams finished 1 or 2 in their respective conference
12) No Manning=Colts suck