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Originally posted by super324:
L's and W's give pitchers less over their fate control than k/9. Like Tiny Tim should have had a 20+ win season almost every year, but he plays in San Fransisco. K/9 is one of the only things pitchers have DIRECT control over...save if he has a horrible ump.

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The pitcher's control over the outcome of games isn't really a concern though. If you want to get wins, you draft the guys on better teams. When you draft Lincy, you go in knowing you're probably gettin 16 wins, and that he's gonna pitch better than 16 wins.

That said, I do like K/9 if not Holds (since holds seems to be unfavorable as hell). Should we put it to a vote?

1. Add OPS and K/9
2. Add OPS and Losses
3. Don't add anything

Assuming that we're all agreeing on OPS that is.
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Originally posted by TerryJ15:
Thanks for the add!
12th pick !!

I'll name my team...Terry's Princess Pumpkins

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Originally posted by Montague:
So, anybody want to point out a good place to read about some basic fantasy baseball strategy?

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Originally posted by daner:
So far the majority is OPS and K/9....anyone else want to weigh in on the subject other wise I'll change the settings to add those stats.

Does anyone want to just add OPS? And not add anything to pitching?

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Originally posted by hammr7:
I've never played a league with holds, but I think it would make middle relievers more valuable, and force us all to do some homework. I certainly don't have a clue who the hold leaders were for either league.

I think K/inning and total K's tend to be redundant, since the best strikeout pitchers are already drafted as some of the best starters and closers. It will further diminish the value of non-strikeout pitchers, even if they rack up some wins and decent ratios.

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I agree with you on both accounts...and furthermore think OPS is also redundant. It's a stat based upon other stats we already get credit for. Obviously there isn't going to be a guy with a high OPS that isn't going to give you good HR/RBI #'s since the majority of OPS realy is the Slugging %. Guys who hit more hr's have better OPS's...and in turn generally have more RBI's. So why even add any stat, bc like you said you're just adding redundancy.

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Originally posted by daner:
I agree with you on both accounts...and furthermore think OPS is also redundant. It's a stat based upon other stats we already get credit for. Obviously there isn't going to be a guy with a high OPS that isn't going to give you good HR/RBI #'s since the majority of OPS realy is the Slugging %. Guys who hit more hr's have better OPS's...and in turn generally have more RBI's. So why even add any stat, bc like you said you're just adding redundancy.

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By that logic HRs are redundant since the majority of high HR guys have high RBIs and Runs. What OPS adds is a true value of a hitter to a team and walks. Same with K/9, since Ks are much better than a hit fields, theres a really long explanation for this that I can C/p if you want me to. K/9 can also add more dept if you want to draft middle relievers.

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Originally posted by hammr7:

I think K/inning and total K's tend to be redundant, since the best strikeout pitchers are already drafted as some of the best starters and closers. It will further diminish the value of non-strikeout pitchers, even if they rack up some wins and decent ratios.

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Originally posted by super324:
By that logic HRs are redundant since the majority of high HR guys have high RBIs and Runs. What OPS adds is a true value of a hitter to a team and walks.

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Originally posted by daner:
I agree, it is redundant. I wasn't arguing I was just stating why the hell do you want to add more redundancy? If you want to add something that isn't alread accounted for add Walks to the hitters stats, but the masses love OPS.

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Because I am a follower of moneyball. thats why.

Please make adjustments to your lists if you have one.

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