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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
You didn't really think you were going to fight Ovechkin, did you?

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Bradley's an idiot. You get extra penalties for jumping in plus that game misconduct plus the chance of suspension.

Ovie's almost half a foot taller and 30 pounds bigger then Downie I think he should be able to hold his own.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Bradley's an idiot. You get extra penalties for jumping in plus that game misconduct plus the chance of suspension.

Ovie's almost half a foot taller and 30 pounds bigger then Downie I think he should be able to hold his own.

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I think Bradley was just trying to earn brownie points with the coach.If i remember correctly the game was practicly over.Rather than risking AO breaking his hand or getting hurt.Im not justifying his actions but i can understand why he did it.The fight might have been close.Despite the huge size advantage I doubt AO can fight his way out of a papper bag.

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Originally posted by squirrel overlord:
I doubt AO can fight his way out of a papper bag.

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Really?!

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Ovie's almost half a foot taller and 30 pounds bigger then Downie I think he should be able to hold his own.

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Downie is a straight up nut. He would have bleed him all over the ice. Ovie is a punk, wouldn't be suprised if he knew someone would come to his rescue.

Ovie is a whimp, and a cheap-shotting headhunter. He will never fight, hell even Malkin and Crosby have throw down before. Crosby even punked Marc Savard real bad last year when he took off his visor to fight(after Savard said to) and Savard didn't.

Ovechkin is not tough. He's also not the best player, and I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if he gives someone a cheapshot during the Olympics...you know, where there is suppose to be good sportsmanship and such.

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Originally posted by daner:
Downie is a straight up nut. He would have bleed him all over the ice. Ovie is a punk, wouldn't be suprised if he knew someone would come to his rescue.

Ovie is a whimp, and a cheap-shotting headhunter. He will never fight, hell even Malkin and Crosby have throw down before. Crosby even punked Marc Savard real bad last year when he took off his visor to fight(after Savard said to) and Savard didn't.

Ovechkin is not tough. He's also not the best player, and I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if he gives someone a cheapshot during the Olympics...you know, where there is suppose to be good sportsmanship and such.

He's a goon in every sense of the word. Yes he's a GREAT player, and yes he's hard to stop offensively, but he's not the best. He's like a better version of Scott Hartnell.

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He may have had more, but those were the video's available.

Headhunter, yes.
Wimp, no.

Would anyone here pick a fight w/ him?

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Originally posted by ogre:
Would anyone here pick a fight w/ him?

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For the record Sidney Crosby is better than anyone in the NHL. This is not a Pittsburgh based fact.

He has a Cup. He has a scoring title. He has improved himself into one of the best faceoff guys in the league. He's alread a great playmaker, and this year he was asked to score more goals....so he has gone out and he has scored more goals.

He can do anything he wants to, sorry but Ovie is semi-limited in his abilities.

Also, if I had the choice I'd take Datsyuk over him. When healthy Datsyuk is arguably the best player in the world. Great offense, good faceoff guy, and can be a nightmare defensively. Shows that Ovie isn't even the best Russian in the league, let alone best player.

Last but not least both Crosby and Datsyuk aren't selfish. They are the 2 top players in the league in my mind....and both aren't even close to the top money makers in the league. A handful of guys make a hell of a lot more than both of them...wait a few years when Washington gets raped by the cap, Ovie making close to 14mil a year isn't helping his team any. The other two guys sacrifice EVERYTHING including the cash to help their teams put together winning teams, no suprise they are the ones who have been to the Cup finals the past two years respectivly.

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
This must be some sort of sick joke or daner has just gone flat out insane. I feel like Crosby is going to complain about the iron grip daner has on his nuts right now.

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Dane is right though Crosby is an all around player not a Scorer only.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Dane is right though Crosby is an all around player not a Scorer only.

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And he's saving his team money by having the third highest salary in the league?

That's not the problem whether Crosby is a complete player or not. It's the rest of that steaming pile of crap that comprises daner's last couple of posts. I can't tell if he's just drunk or he's interning at FSN Pittsburgh.

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
And he's saving his team money by having the third highest salary in the league?

That's not the problem whether Crosby is a complete player or not. It's the rest of that steaming pile of crap that comprises daner's last couple of posts. I can't tell if he's just drunk or he's interning at FSN Pittsburgh.

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What? That Crosby is the most complete player in the league? That he IS the best player...but will never rake his team over the coals. As it stands next year Kovalchuk is lookin gto make 12mil.....12 mil! Sorry your not better than Sidney, and your not better than the 2nd best player in this league Pavel Datsyuk who also is a bargin for what he gets paid.

As I said, the two best and most complete players not only help their team on the ice, but they aren't greedy. Both of them could get max contracts, and they would be worth every penny...but they don't.

Sorry if I'll take guys who have WON championships before and are more complete than Ovie.

If you think Ovechkin is the best player in the NHL you are flat WRONG.

While you can make the argument that any good or agitating D(like Rob Scuderi) can shut down a scorer like Ovie for a series it's the guys like Crosby and Datsyuk that add other elements to the game like faceoffs, and defensive play that puts them both miles ahead of Ovechkin in my mind. Yea you might shut them both down offensively too, but their skill on both sides of the ice makes a difference.

Yes hockey is about scoring goals, and Ovie is probably the best at it, but it's something you can stop. Winning faceoffs, having good puck possesion, and playing tight D is something he doesn't and frankly can't do. The other two guys can, and even though they might not show up on the score sheet their play and presence on the other aspects of the game can be just as good if not better than only doing one thing, or being one-dimensional.

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Yes hockey is about scoring goals, and Ovie is probably the best at it, but it's something you can stop.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Didn't stop him tonight, did ya?

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1g 1a. I wont count him playing a 4 min shift at the end of the game just to ang around the blueline and get a cheap ENG.

Even his assist wasn't impressive, throw it at the net...and somebody picked up the garbage.

If you actually watched this game he did not have the type of game his numbers would suggest. He fanned on about 10 shots, again played NO defense, and really wasn't the big problem.

The big problem tonight was the Fleishman/Laich/Semin line. Pretty much did whatever the hell they wanted all night long.

Also, no Fleury.

Personally I don't really care. This isn't as bad a loss as would be losing to a division team. While it doesn't help us catch New Jersey it's not as bad as outright losing to a team like New Jersey, or Philly, or even one of the NY teams.

I'll care when the Caps beat the Penguins and send them home from the playoffs....until then the only true number that counts is Crosby 1 - Ovie 0.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
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lol.

What's Ovechkin's +/- this year? 29?

Why would Boudreau want Ovechkin to take faceoffs? He is way more dangerous in the slot. Not a fair stat to use.

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While you can make the argument that any good or agitating D(like Rob Scuderi) can shut down a scorer like Ovie for a series it's the guys like Crosby and Datsyuk that add other elements to the game like faceoffs, and defensive play that puts them both miles ahead of Ovechkin in my mind. Yea you might shut them both down offensively too, but their skill on both sides of the ice makes a difference.

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[QUOTE]While you can make the argument that any good or agitating D(like Rob Scuderi) can shut down a scorer like Ovie for a series it's the guys like Crosby and Datsyuk that add other elements to the game like faceoffs, and defensive play that puts them both miles ahead of Ovechkin in my mind. Yea you might shut them both down offensively too, but their skill on both sides of the ice makes a difference.

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Washington was the older team, so how is the young team a fair argument? They were beat by the younger team.

The Penguins could have easily of folded when they lost game 6 at home with the chance to clinch...but they didn't.

Ovechkin did have good numbers, but not all good games. Game 5 and 7 was not very good at all, and that is a point about being able to play both sides of the ice when one side isn't going well.

Yeah it's nice when you can win a game 7-3 and he has 5 points....pretty much what happened in games 1-2 of that series. Yet when he doesn't score what other contributions to the team does he provide? The answer is nothing.

Also like to point out that the Capitals are 14th I think in the league in goals against. So it's not like they are keeping people off the scoresheet. Like I said what happens when they don't get 5 goals in the game? Simple, they lose because they can't play D, this inculdes Ovie.

Also helps a bit when you play in the weakest division in the NHL. 8 games vs Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Florida? One would hope you could lead the league in goals when you play a 1/3 of your schedule against arguably the perennial 3 of the 4 worst teams in the league.

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Originally posted by daner:

Last but not least both Crosby and Datsyuk aren't selfish. They are the 2 top players in the league in my mind....and both aren't even close to the top money makers in the league. A handful of guys make a hell of a lot more than both of them...wait a few years when Washington gets raped by the cap, Ovie making close to 14mil a year isn't helping his team any. The other two guys sacrifice EVERYTHING including the cash to help their teams put together winning teams, no suprise they are the ones who have been to the Cup finals the past two years respectivly.

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Top salaries of 2009-10
1 Vincent Lecavalier $10 million
2 Alex Ovechkin $9 million
3 Sidney Crosby $8.7 million
4 Evgeni Malkin $8.7 million

Pavel Datsyuk's 2009-10 Salary: $6.7 million

Alex Ovechkin's Salary/Cap Hit by Season
09-10 9,000,000/9,538,462
10-11 9,000,000/9,538,462
11-12 9,000,000/9,538,462
12-13 9,000,000/9,538,462
13-14 9,000,000/9,538,462
14-15 10,000,000/9,538,462
15-16 10,000,000/9,538,462

Edit: For the record, I'm not saying Ovechkin is better than Crosby, so you don't have to put anymore words in my mouth in your next response. I'm just pointing out on of the reasons why I think your posts are piles of steaming crap.
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
daner, there's nothing I can say that will make you stop being a pom-pom waving homer. So I'm going to give you something to consider and hopefully you will realize how ridiculous you sound.

Top salaries of 2009-10
1 Vincent Lecavalier $10 million
2 Alex Ovechkin $9 million
3 Sidney Crosby $8.7 million
4 Evgeni Malkin $8.7 million

Pavel Datsyuk's 2009-10 Salary: $6.7 million

Alex Ovechkin's Salary/Cap Hit by Season
09-10 9,000,000/9,538,462
10-11 9,000,000/9,538,462
11-12 9,000,000/9,538,462
12-13 9,000,000/9,538,462
13-14 9,000,000/9,538,462
14-15 10,000,000/9,538,462
15-16 10,000,000/9,538,462

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And like I have said #3 on that list and Mr. Datsyuk are BETTER PLAYERS.

Sidney Crosby wether you want to admit it or not IS better than Ovechkin...and so is Datsyuk.

By the way 9.54 mil on ave per season is > 8.7 mil.

So I guess less money plus Stanley Cup is waiving my pom-poms?

EDIT: Malkin is on the same page money wise with Crosby...but is not worth the same as Crosby. Also Ilya Kovalchuk is looking for a extension that would pay him almost 12mil.

I also said a handful of guys, I didn't say half the league makes more than Crosby.

Again, when your the best their is yet you take less in both cases with Crosby and Datsyuk plus you add in the Cups tell me again why you would choose Ovechkin over the others?

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Originally posted by daner:
You can be bitter all you want. You can call me or whoever you want a homer. You can call me an idiot if it makes you feel better about yourself. The fact still remains Crosby is better.

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I was going to call you all of that, but I realized that your responses speak for yourself. I'm only wasting my time beating this dead horse with someone so uninformed. Believe what you want to believe. This thread isn't worth it if you are just going to talk out of your ass whenever you see fit.

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
I was going to call you all of that, but I realized that your responses speak for yourself. I'm only wasting my time beating this dead horse with someone so uninformed. Believe what you want to believe. This thread isn't worth it if you are just going to talk out of your ass whenever you see fit.

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Then why might I ask did you even start? Why come in trying to start an argument with me? If you have that kind of time to waste then I suggest you find something better to do with your time, aside from being mad about what happened last June.

It's time to LET IT GO.

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Originally posted by daner:
Then why might I ask did you even start? Why come in trying to start an argument with me? If you have that kind of time to waste then I suggest you find something better to do with your time, aside from being mad about what happened last June.

It's time to LET IT GO.

EDIT: Might I even ask who You think is the best player in the NHL?

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Because I'm stupid, that's why. I thought I could have intelligent conversation with someone who's defenses for Crosby included some of the following:

1) Ovechkin is a better Scott Hartnell
2) Saying that you could beat Ovechkin in a fight
3) Crosby isn't a whimp because he fought Marc Savard (I guess you forgot his Game 7 performance so quickly)
4) Saying Crosby is the best and then saying you would take Datsyuk over him. Who is the best then?
5) Saying that Crosby saves his team money with the third highest cap hit in the league
6) Claiming only a handful of players only make more money than Crosby (Without naming any or showing any cap figures)
7) Making up Ovechkin's salary (Too lazy to look this up eh?)
8) Using faceoffs in an argument between a LW and C
9) Not once mentioning OV's physicality or hustle
10) Not even realizing that teams only play other teams in their division 6 times. They changed that two seasons ago. Where have you been?
11) Claiming 3 of the 4 worst teams are in the Southwest. When did Toronto, Edmonton and Columbus change divisions?
12) The cup argument. Let me guess you think Eli Manning is better then Dan Marino too right? And Adam Wainwright is better than Trevor Hoffman too?
13) Putting words in my mouth. I guess I am bitter that my team, one year removed from the cup, missed out on its 5 cup in 15 years. God forbid nobody ele wins a cup.
14) Trying to insert Kovy's 2010-2011 salary, which doesn't even exist yet (and you made up), into a list of this season's top salaries to in order to make up for this alleged handful of players that you claim make more money than Crosby.
14) This the best one: Because Crosby's the best and that's a fact Nyah! Nyah! Nyaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Ron White was right. You can't fix stupid. You are stupid because you are uninformed and a homer and I'm stupid for trying to make you informed and objective. At least in a couple season you'll jump off the bandwagon and this won't matter in the long run. I'm not going to find out because I am done with this thread. Have fun talking to nobody about your fact.. er I mean opinion.

Edit: Since I'm not coming back, Ryan Miller is the best player in the NHL right now.
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