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Originally posted by ch3ckm4t3:
AMERICA'S **** IS BIGGER THAN YOURS BIATCH

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Translated.

Also, Garry: Have you been to the politics threads before? I don't recognize you.
If you're new here, I feel duty-bound to inform you that skizzikmonger and ch3ckm4t3 are quite literally nothing more than mindless ideologues. I am not saying this because I have political differences with them, I say this because (as skizzikmonger's "government wipes your ass" post no doubt has made clear to you) they honestly lack the capacity to hold anything more than their party mandate and approach each and every political debate with nothing more than a knee-jerk reflexiveness to use said tired talking points.

This certainly isn't the only place I talk politics, even online, and I can honestly say these two are not intelligent conservatives. I have met intelligent conservatives. I have had enjoyable, respectful debates with intelligent conservatives (one was a limbaugh listener, no less). And these two, I can say definitively, are not intelligent conservatives.

But, if you ever feel the need to shoot fish in a barrel, they'd be happy to (unintentionally) oblige.

Just so you know the lay of the land.

On to other topics:

So Pakistan is falling to the Taliban; what delicious irony. It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that there are nukes in Islamabad, and the Taliban forces are as of now only about 60 miles away from that.
And WRT their president coming to america and begging for more money: This is what, the 5th time now that an organization's leader has come to our govt begging for money because they're too important to fail?
At least we didn't spend 10 billion already on the banks before they came groveling.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
NEVER!

So Pakistan is falling to the Taliban; what delicious irony. It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that there are nukes in Islamabad, and the Taliban forces are as of now only about 60 miles away from that.
And WRT their president coming to america and begging for more money: This is what, the 5th time now that an organization's leader has come to our govt begging for money because they're too important to fail?
At least we didn't spend 10 billion already on the banks before they came groveling.

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MAYBE!

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Originally posted by garry anderson:
At least you get it. However you're using statistics from the UK, the most similar nation to the US and one of the lowest ranked in the EU.

Colleges and Universities don't need to be the best, they need to be equal and accessable, how many of those 12 are both of those? No, that knowledge and information is only for the genetically intelligent or rich.

Anyone anywere can, when presented with the right opportunities, be anything, not just in the US. Even Bill Gates gives all credit to his success to fate, just being fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time. The rich create those right place at the right time scenarios at will. I think a cap on the net worth of an individual, say 30 million would be good for everyone. I can't see how anyone could possibly need more money than that, outside of sheer greed.

I persoanlly lived on the streets in my late teenage years and was on welfare. When presented with the right opportunities, I now earn a comfortble living. I sell Real Estate and work hard and straight out, 12-18 hours a day for 6 months a year, March to June and then September & October. I earn about $120k/yr. I could work more but I don't need to, does that make me lazy, smart, lucky?

I pay a good chunk of income tax about $40k to pay for services that I don't need and I can't even use, like Employment Insurance. I know other people without the same opportunities I was given can't live like I do, so I'm glad to help them out, like I was helped out. I'm thankful for the opportunity just to live in an awesome place like this. You see, it's not the Canadian or EU's Governments that are whiping the people's butt's for them, it's the Canadian & EU's people who realized. If we create a saftey net in which we would help each other out in tough times and give everyone a chance to succeed together, as equals, we would have less violence, less drugs, less crime, more happiness and prosperity for everyone.

This is the part that Some Americans need to learn. It's not about winning like life is some competition for possessions, it's about the quality of each and everyone one of our lives.

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Originally posted by zeramous:
I think it is more of keeping up with the status quo then possessions, we have impossible ideals of perfection. We are very, very competitive. The higher the bar keeps going up, the more people will get discouraged and not even try. We are destroying ourselves.

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This is the only way survial of the fittest works for us because we're at the top of the food chain. The only way to get higher is to be better than the lesser of the species.

Also, should everyone be worried about religious fanatics with nukes, not just neighboring countries?

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits:
[B]This is the only way survial of the fittest works for us because we're at the top of the food chain. The only way to get higher is to be better than the lesser of the species.

Also, should everyone be worried about religious fanatics with nukes, not just neighboring countries?

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That seems kinda primitive to me, how long have humans been around? But when do we draw the line? Sounds like nothing more then Natural Selection, I kinda liked to think we are more evolved, guess I was wrong.

I'm more worried about the people in this very country then any nuclear armed religion or country. People like Battle and their survival of the fittest theories.

Robert

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We can get along. I'm sure its possible

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It sure is, first we need to stop competing, because if we compete we have enemies.

Also, another side effect of non-competition is exponential productivity from sharing. Example. Currently, If 4 people want the right to provide goods or services to the same person/company, all 4 put in effort and resources attempting to gain that right, before work is even starteded. If we stopped this stupid activity, we would save resources and time. Just give the work to all four, have them work together from the get go. No waste, tonnes of accountability, 4 brains being better than one giving superior results and the works done in 1/4 of the time. This is how governments should give out work, this is how everyone should give out work.

So step one in all getting along, eliminate competition. There are obstacles to this but those are following steps.

Stay tuned for my entire plan to learn how you too can contribute to world peace.

(disclaimer I do not have advanced degrees in economics or politics much of this is personal opinions and facts provided by credibly non-profit institutions; if you would like to see the research give me a yelp ill provide the sources; I do write short stories on tax policy from time to time and recently am proud to announce that a story I wrote was bought... not going to say by whom or for what... because I'm not really sure at this point; but hopefully I can disclose it sometime soon or it will be a paper of sorts... because it would suck if they simply put bought my research (which more and more I think is possible); I guess I'm officially a journalist hah; Sorry for grammatical errors and spelling errors I'm typing this while on the train so motion sickness/Metro north = not so fun times)

Don't get me started, but then again, it is their money and is their choice, right. What right do we have to get upset with them.

I put myself through university, with student loans, while working full-time selling Real Estate so I do understand the work involved and how to grasp opportunities and make my life better.

Before that, I had no hope, no direction. I needed a hand up/out of where I was. I needed direction and when I got it, I flourished. I paid back my hand out/up 10 fold. In a lot of what you seem to think are "Hand Out" nations the opportunities you treasure exist for everyone, a true way up the ladder for EVERYONE. This is not so for everyone where you are, it only exists for those already possessing the intelligence, hope and desire. If you're a gang banger at the age of 10 in NY, probably out of school, odds are slim to none that you will be able to do anything productive with your life.

Some people, most actually, have no clue, direction, understanding, or even hope of receiving or the intellegence to even recognize the opportunities we've had.

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Originally posted by garry anderson:
BTW, I just want everyone to know I don't think all people from the US are mentaly deficient, like Skizzikmonger. Most realize the error of their ways and have hired an intelligent and compassionate person to lead them out of the conservative fog. I wish those people all the best in their endeavors.

However, the gun toting, greedy, fear-mongering, bible-thumpers deserve what's coming to them for all the damage to the world that they've been perpetrating for 8 years.[/B]

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Don't lump me in with them

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However, if we're going to dissect sweeping generalities to death, I also don't necessarily see that greed need be bad, as we don't need to villainize people whose primary goal in life is to accumulate wealth; the problem becomes when greedy people act irresponsibly or illegally. If you work 80-hour weeks and want to be a millionaire before you're thirty, more power to you. If you want to run a complex pyramid scheme and defraud people of millions, that's a problem.

I also don't think that Bible-thumpers are bad, until they start crossing over into politics and influencing social policy. If you want to scream from your pulpit that homosexuals can't get married in your church and your religion believes they'll go to hell, fine. I'll stay out of your church. Even if you want to scream it from the street corner, I'll just walk away. If you want to dictate that *other* churches and governmental institutions shouldn't perform marriages you don't like, then it's a problem.

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However, if we're going to dissect sweeping generalities to death,

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How about instead we just do not use them at all as they provide nothing constructive, bring down the level of discourse, weaken your argument and by nature of assocation, those of anyone "on your side", and very often fail to accurately describe much of anyone.

Generalities blow.

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Originally posted by garry anderson:
BTW, I just want everyone to know I don't think all people from the US are mentaly deficient, like Skizzikmonger. Most realize the error of their ways and have hired an intelligent and compassionate person to lead them out of the conservative fog. I wish those people all the best in their endeavors.

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What's make conservatives "mentally deficient"? Is it that we have no problem helping the single mother of 3 who works 2-3 jobs just to make the ends close to meeting and lives in government housing? Or could it be because we refuse to help her neighbor who has a big screen HDTV, nice car, expensive clothes, a part time job, is a high school drop out, and doesn't do ANYTHING to help himself because he knows the government will take care of him? Maybe it's because we feel ALL criminals, regardless of race, crime, or country of origin (that means Mexican citizen, US citizen, etc) should be punished for their crime(s), regardless of the crime(s) they commited? I know what it is. We're mentally deficient becuase we don't need the government to take care of us, tell us what to think is right or wrong, tell us to hate religion, or meddle in our lives in any way. Wait. That's not it. It has to be that conservatives don't want the government to TAKE what we have worked hard for and GIVE IT to criminals, losers who won't get off
their lazy ass and try to help themselves, or those who hate people because they have what they don't have.

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However, all the gun toting,

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I'm sorry that you feal the need to give the criminals an even playing field by taking away the law abiding citizen's guns. You do realize that guns don't kill people on their own right? That they need a PERSON to load them, chamber a round (except for revolvers), aim it, and pull the trigger? Or are you really that brain dead? Ban guns, criminals still have them and can still get them. Despite what your fearmongering government, or the fearmongers on the left in this country, tell you guns ARE NOT the only way to kill a person, or multiple persons. Just ask the Boston Strangler and Timmothy McVeigh.

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greedy,

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And conservatives are greedy because.....we won't give what we have to criminals, and people who don't deserve our help?

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fear-mongering,

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And the WHO, and the left aren't fearmongers? Remember swine flu? Remember Obama and his party being unable to do anything but scare thre American people by saying "crisis" every other word when talking about the economy?

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bible-thumpers

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Yet another intolerant ass joins the dicussion.

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deserve what's coming to them for all the damage to the world that they've been perpetrating for 8 years.

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1) What exactly is coming to us? (ooooo, I'm so scared)
2) What damage? The fight to end terrorism that Spain, England, and Europe are too weak and unwilling to fight? Or the ****ty economy that Clinton and the dems helped cause?
3) More damage was caused when Clinton was in office. Or do you not know of the 1st WTC bombing in 1993, and Kobar(sp?) Towers in Saudi, or the bombings of the US Embasies in Kenya and Tanzania? Far more damage was caused when Carter was in office too. Perhaps you've heard of double-digit inflation and double-digit interest? Or do you not read up on US history so you at least look like you know wtf you're talking about? Acctually, more damage was done by Reagan than Bush. He was in office when the government allowed US corporations to sell WMD to Saddam* (btw, England did the same thing*), and that helped lead to the mess we're in now.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
What's make conservatives "mentally deficient"? Is it that we have no problem helping the single mother of 3 who works 2-3 jobs just to make the ends close to meeting and lives in government housing? Or could it be because we refuse to help her neighbor who has a big screen HDTV, nice car, expensive clothes, a part time job, is a high school drop out, and doesn't do ANYTHING to help himself because he knows the government will take care of him? Maybe it's because we feel ALL criminals, regardless of race, crime, or country of origin (that means Mexican citizen, US citizen, etc) should be punished for their crime(s), regardless of the crime(s) they commited? I know what it is. We're mentally deficient becuase we don't need the government to take care of us, tell us what to think is right or wrong, tell us to hate religion, or meddle in our lives in any way. Wait. That's not it. It has to be that conservatives don't want the government to TAKE what we have worked hard for and GIVE IT to criminals, losers who won't get off
their lazy ass and try to help themselves, or those who hate people because they have what they don't have.

I'm sorry that you feal the need to give the criminals an even playing field by taking away the law abiding citizen's guns. You do realize that guns don't kill people on their own right? That they need a PERSON to load them, chamber a round (except for revolvers), aim it, and pull the trigger? Or are you really that brain dead? Ban guns, criminals still have them and can still get them. Despite what your fearmongering government, or the fearmongers on the left in this country, tell you guns ARE NOT the only way to kill a person, or multiple persons. Just ask the Boston Strangler and Timmothy McVeigh.

And the WHO, and the left aren't fearmongers? Remember swine flu? Remember Obama and his party being unable to do anything but scare thre American people by saying "crisis" every other word when talking about the economy?

Yet another intolerant ass joins the dicussion.

1) What exactly is coming to us? (ooooo, I'm so scared)
2) What damage? The fight to end terrorism that Spain, England, and Europe are too weak and unwilling to fight? Or the ****ty economy that Clinton and the dems helped cause?
3) More damage was caused when Clinton was in office. Or do you not know of the 1st WTC bombing in 1993, and Kobar(sp?) Towers in Saudi, or the bombings of the US Embasies in Kenya and Tanzania? Far more damage was caused when Carter was in office too. Perhaps you've heard of double-digit inflation and double-digit interest? Or do you not read up on US history so you at least look like you know wtf you're talking about? Acctually, more damage was done by Reagan than Bush. He was in office when the government allowed US corporations to sell WMD to Saddam* (btw, England did the same thing*), and that helped lead to the mess we're in now.

*Source: it's called Google. Do it yourself. Unless you really are that lazy and incompetant.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Or could it be because we refuse to help her neighbor who has a big screen HDTV, nice car, expensive clothes, a part time job, is a high school drop out, and doesn't do ANYTHING to help himself because he knows the government will take care of him?

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This is not an argument. This is your mind acting irrationally, coming up with images that justify your opposition but have no basis in reality. Welfare is barely enough to live off of with even minimum standards of living; someone can not live such a lavish lifestyle as you have opined off of welfare, sorry. And if somehow, someone has manipulated the system in such an extreme fashion that they can, they are still far outnumbered by the number of human beings that deserve a decent standard of living but are unable to provide for it on their own.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

Maybe it's because we feel ALL criminals, regardless of race, crime, or country of origin (that means Mexican citizen, US citizen, etc) should be punished for their crime(s), regardless of the crime(s) they commited?

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Criminals should be punished. But approaching the problem of crime with the only solution being punishment will solve nothing. No one loves criminals, get that out of your mind right now.

But some folks recognize that our criminal justice system all too often does little to improve things. The exorbitant amount of money we spend to keep a vast amount of our population incarcerated could be much more wisely spent on education and welfare programs that would educate and take care of citizens, keeping many of them from resorting to crime. And rather than simply keep those that still break the law in prison, we can rehabilitate them, releasing them from prison, no longer having to pay to take care of them, and have them instead contribute to society.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

We're mentally deficient becuase we don't need the government to take care of us,

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Again, next to one wants the government to take care of them. Most of them have no alternative. You would rather those individuals suffer in the wealthiest nation in the world because a tiny minority might manipulate the system.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

tell us what to think is right or wrong, tell us to hate religion, or meddle in our lives in any way. Wait. That's not it. It has to be that conservatives don't want the government to TAKE what we have worked hard for and GIVE IT to criminals, losers who won't get off
their lazy ass and try to help themselves, or those who hate people because they have what they don't have.

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The government does not do this. Try again.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

I'm sorry that you feal the need to give the criminals an even playing field by taking away the law abiding citizen's guns. You do realize that guns don't kill people on their own right? That they need a PERSON to load them, chamber a round (except for revolvers), aim it, and pull the trigger? Or are you really that brain dead? Ban guns, criminals still have them and can still get them. Despite what your fearmongering government, or the fearmongers on the left in this country, tell you guns ARE NOT the only way to kill a person, or multiple persons. Just ask the Boston Strangler and Timmothy McVeigh.

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I'm for both gun-rights and improved gun-control.

I love guns and believe that because of the gun problem in this nation, citizens are entitled to the right to own firearms. I do not believe that the Second Amendment guarantees this right, however. Rather than selectively quote "the right to bear arms", let us look at the Amendment in its entirety: "A well-regulated militia". Ah. My neighbor is not well-regulated nor part of a militia.

Regardless, as a Democrat, I believe in sensible gun rights and gun legislation, as do many other Democrats. Look at the overwhelming Democratic response AGAINST AG Holder's comments about a new AWB. And the fact that the majority of Republicans in Congress at the time voted "aye" on the first AWB. Republicans are just as unfriendly on gun rights as Democrats, stop pretending otherwise.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

And the WHO, and the left aren't fearmongers? Remember swine flu? Remember Obama and his party being unable to do anything but scare thre American people by saying "crisis" every other word when talking about the economy?

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Republicans have used 9/11, Islamic extremism, and threats of terrorism for political gain, votes, expansion of political power, the destruction of checks and balances, and the deterioration of American civil rights.

Pray tell: what did overplaying the swine flu for one whole week gain Obama and the Democrats? Christ, Matt Drudge hyped that strain more than anyone in power. This is a wholly moronic argument.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

Yet another intolerant ass joins the dicussion.

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Pot? Meet Kettle. He's black.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

1) What exactly is coming to us? (ooooo, I'm so scared)

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The loss of all power and marginalization of your influence in politics in case you haven't noticed.

Oh,

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

Or the ****ty economy that Clinton and the dems helped cause?

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Yes, let's ignore all of the ****-poor policies enacted by Reagan and Bush and Republican Congresses over the past two decades. Good God, I support next to zero Republican policies and am a pretty staunch Democrat, but I am at least willing to acknowledge our role in the problem. Neither party is free of stupid politicans that enact stupid policies.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:

3) More damage was caused when Clinton was in office. Or do you not know of the 1st WTC bombing in 1993, and Kobar(sp?) Towers in Saudi, or the bombings of the US Embasies in Kenya and Tanzania? Far more damage was caused when Carter was in office too. Perhaps you've heard of double-digit inflation and double-digit interest? Or do you not read up on US history so you at least look like you know wtf you're talking about? Acctually, more damage was done by Reagan than Bush. He was in office when the government allowed US corporations to sell WMD to Saddam* (btw, England did the same thing*), and that helped lead to the mess we're in now.

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Wait. Now do you do admit Reagan caused damage. But in the preceding paragraph blame solely the Dems. Nice argumentin' there, haus.

WHY DO I STILL RESPOND TO YOU?!

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
What's make conservatives "mentally deficient"? Is it that we have no problem helping the single mother of 3 who works 2-3 jobs just to make the ends close to meeting and lives in government housing? Or could it be because we refuse to help her neighbor who has a big screen HDTV, nice car, expensive clothes, a part time job, is a high school drop out, and doesn't do ANYTHING to help himself because he knows the government will take care of him? Maybe it's because we feel ALL criminals, regardless of race, crime, or country of origin (that means Mexican citizen, US citizen, etc) should be punished for their crime(s), regardless of the crime(s) they commited? I know what it is. We're mentally deficient becuase we don't need the government to take care of us, tell us what to think is right or wrong, tell us to hate religion, or meddle in our lives in any way. Wait. That's not it. It has to be that conservatives don't want the government to TAKE what we have worked hard for and GIVE IT to criminals, losers who won't get off
their lazy ass and try to help themselves, or those who hate people because they have what they don't have.

I'm sorry that you feal the need to give the criminals an even playing field by taking away the law abiding citizen's guns. You do realize that guns don't kill people on their own right? That they need a PERSON to load them, chamber a round (except for revolvers), aim it, and pull the trigger? Or are you really that brain dead? Ban guns, criminals still have them and can still get them. Despite what your fearmongering government, or the fearmongers on the left in this country, tell you guns ARE NOT the only way to kill a person, or multiple persons. Just ask the Boston Strangler and Timmothy McVeigh.

And the WHO, and the left aren't fearmongers? Remember swine flu? Remember Obama and his party being unable to do anything but scare thre American people by saying "crisis" every other word when talking about the economy?

Yet another intolerant ass joins the dicussion.

1) What exactly is coming to us? (ooooo, I'm so scared)
2) What damage? The fight to end terrorism that Spain, England, and Europe are too weak and unwilling to fight? Or the ****ty economy that Clinton and the dems helped cause?
3) More damage was caused when Clinton was in office. Or do you not know of the 1st WTC bombing in 1993, and Kobar(sp?) Towers in Saudi, or the bombings of the US Embasies in Kenya and Tanzania? Far more damage was caused when Carter was in office too. Perhaps you've heard of double-digit inflation and double-digit interest? Or do you not read up on US history so you at least look like you know wtf you're talking about? Acctually, more damage was done by Reagan than Bush. He was in office when the government allowed US corporations to sell WMD to Saddam* (btw, England did the same thing*), and that helped lead to the mess we're in now.

*Source: it's called Google. Do it yourself. Unless you really are that lazy and incompetant.

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I have decided to amuse myself by mimicking skizzikmonger's behaviour on the politics threads.

STEP ONE: ignore everyone's posts but my own!
IE I skipped over everything you said in the response I quoted. I'll take a guess:
-you talk about how great conservatives are
-at some point, you talk about "welfare queens" and/or how the government steals from the rich and gives to the lazy ass poor folk
-you make some sort of reference to "socialist government" in europe, and take a pointed dump on Garry's opinions while doing so
-Commit huge logical fallacies so large they probably are where Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, and everyone who dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle are now hidden
-misspelled several things, making you look sooo much smarter
-Throw in some nonsensical second-amendment bs in there too

Well, am I right? Can someone who actually read his post (I pity you) let me know how accurate I am?

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I have decided to amuse myself by mimicking skizzikmonger's behaviour on the politics threads.

STEP ONE: ignore everyone's posts but my own!
IE I skipped over everything you said in the response I quoted. I'll take a guess:
-you talk about how great conservatives are
-at some point, you talk about "welfare queens" and/or how the government steals from the rich and gives to the lazy ass poor folk
-you make some sort of reference to "socialist government" in europe, and take a pointed dump on Garry's opinions while doing so
-Commit huge logical fallacies so large they probably are where Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, and everyone who dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle are now hidden
-misspelled several things, making you look sooo much smarter
-Throw in some nonsensical second-amendment bs in there too

Well, am I right? Can someone who actually read his post (I pity you) let me know how accurate I am?

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Yes.

I find it hilarious that the educated poor think that the government steals from the poor and gives to the rich, while the uneducated poor think that the government steals from the rich and gives to the poor (which they inexplicably reject). What a difference an education makes, eh? It's no coincidence that socialists tend to be the educated elite. The lack of true socialists in this country is not indicative of socialism's failure, rather it is indicative of the failure of the American educational system.

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Yes.

I find it hilarious that the educated poor think that the government steals from the poor and gives to the rich, while the uneducated poor think that the government steals from the rich and gives to the poor (which they inexplicably reject). What a difference an education makes, eh? It's no coincidence that socialists tend to be the educated elite. The lack of true socialists in this country is not indicative of socialism's failure, rather it is indicative of the failure of the American educational system.

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I'm confused, perhaps it's just a regional thing, but the uneducated poor where I live (West Virginia) think that the government steals from them to give to the rich, but never turn down welfare or unemployment if they qualify for it. I would consider myself educated poor (income ~$21k last year, with an unfinished college degree) but I don't believe that the government steals from our income bracket, at least compared to how much someone making $100K+ is taxed.

As for failure of the educational system when it comes to socialism, what do you expect? They are going to teach what their government does first before others. Do you think a modern politics class in the U.S. is going to teach more about a constitutional monarchy than democracy? Will economics in the U.S. cover more socialism than capitalism? I doubt it.

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits:

As for failure of the educational system when it comes to socialism, what do you expect? They are going to teach what their government does first before others. Do you think a modern politics class in the U.S. is going to teach more about a constitutional monarchy than democracy? Will economics in the U.S. cover more socialism than capitalism? I doubt it.

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Um... Canada and Britain are both constitutional monarchies and democracies...

In any case, I suspect that pyr0's point had more to do with "socialism" being used as a scary bogeyman in your country having nothing to do with its "failure" as an ideology. Accordingly, he didn't mean anything about "teaching socialism", but about the sorts of ideological values that have been fostered in your country. If someone perceives "socialism" as a bogeyman-threat, it simply shows their lack of education in general, rather than a lack of specific knowledge.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:

Um... Canada and Britain are both constitutional monarchies and democracies...

In any case, I suspect that pyr0's point had more to do with "socialism" being used as a scary bogeyman in your country having nothing to do with its "failure" as an ideology. Accordingly, he didn't mean anything about "teaching socialism", but about the sorts of ideological values that have been fostered in your country. If someone perceives "socialism" as a bogeyman-threat, it simply shows their lack of education in general, rather than a lack of specific knowledge.

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Aaand obnoxious skizzikmonger rant/arrogant checkmate condescending post in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits:
I'm confused, perhaps it's just a regional thing, but the uneducated poor where I live (West Virginia) think that the government steals from them to give to the rich, but never turn down welfare or unemployment if they qualify for it. I would consider myself educated poor (income ~$21k last year, with an unfinished college degree) but I don't believe that the government steals from our income bracket, at least compared to how much someone making $100K+ is taxed.

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The uneducated poor are taught to overwhelmingly reject "socialist" handouts (case in point: skizzik). Why else would they vote against their interests? The educated poor, on the other hand, see all government as in the pocket of those in power, notably the rich, often corporations. The educated poor are far more likely to vote libertarian, socialist, or anarchist (well, not vote anarchist...) than the uneducated or the rich.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
In any case, I suspect that pyr0's point had more to do with "socialism" being used as a scary bogeyman in your country having nothing to do with its "failure" as an ideology. Accordingly, he didn't mean anything about "teaching socialism", but about the sorts of ideological values that have been fostered in your country. If someone perceives "socialism" as a bogeyman-threat, it simply shows their lack of education in general, rather than a lack of specific knowledge.

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This.

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:

Um... Canada and Britain are both constitutional monarchies and democracies...

In any case, I suspect that pyr0's point had more to do with "socialism" being used as a scary bogeyman in your country having nothing to do with its "failure" as an ideology. Accordingly, he didn't mean anything about "teaching socialism", but about the sorts of ideological values that have been fostered in your country. If someone perceives "socialism" as a bogeyman-threat, it simply shows their lack of education in general, rather than a lack of specific knowledge.

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I blame Joseph McCarthy.

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