http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/031810a

On the bright side, at least my Chaos Harlequins will retain their value.

Way to bow to pressure from a very small segment of the community.

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Way to bow to pressure from a very small segment of the community.

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Bowing to all the type 2 players who wanted reprints would hurt them more than anything. Legacy taking away from the popularity of type 2 would be a disaster for wizards as they won't sell as much product.

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Originally posted by andrew777:
Awesome news. Finally wizards(actually it seems to be Hasbro in this instance) does something right.

Bowing to all the type 2 players who wanted reprints would hurt them more than anything. Legacy taking away from the popularity of type 2 would be a disaster for wizards as they won't sell as much product.

I'm actually even happier that all the people who whined about prices are upset. I'm so excited I think I might buy a couple playsets of duals. You know start hoarding so prices go up even more. Drive all the type 2 players away from legacy. That would be hilarious.

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I'll say this straight up, you are so dumb...

Just because they would get rid of the reprint policy doesn't mean they would have reprinted those cards. You don't want people playing older formats and therefore stunting the growth of the game; I want people playing older formats to keep the game growing. I would love vintage to blow up like legacy did. I want legacy to keep growing. It is good for the game. The reprint policy is an outdated idea and wizards folded to a small segment of magic playing population: Idiots who post on the internet.

Your entire post is about as clueless as possible. Just be cause legacy grows, that doesn't mean type 2 gets hurt or vice versa, look at the SCG opens, they all have huge turnouts for both days.

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Originally posted by stu55:
...wizards folded to a small segment of magic playing population: Idiots who post on the internet...

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stu, since when is the number of idiots who post on the internet small?

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Originally posted by OGB:
stu, since when is the number of idiots who post on the internet small?

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Let me put it another way:

A fair amount of people that post on the internet are idiots

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Originally posted by Nitelite:
Wizards did what they should have done years ago.

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Here's something they should have done a long time ago: SHORTEN THE LIST.

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Originally posted by Nitelite:
Wizards did what they should have done years ago. Props to them!

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So, which of the 2 categories of idiot who would support this crap do you fall into? The idiots who think that Magic is an actual investment, or the idiots who think that it should be prohibitively expensive to get into the older formats?

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Originally posted by nderdog:
So, which of the 2 categories of idiot who would support this crap do you fall into? The idiots who think that Magic is an actual investment, or the idiots who think that it should be prohibitively expensive to get into the older formats?

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Probably the ones that don't want the game to die. If Legacy is so prohibitively expensive, why were there 2200 people at Madrid after the GP record 1300 at Chicago? Why is it that the highest turnout for GPs have been the Legacy ones? If you want prohibitively expense, quit Magic and take up golf as your hobby.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Probably the ones that don't want the game to die. If Legacy is so prohibitively expensive, why were there 2200 people at Madrid after the GP record 1300 at Chicago? Why is it that the highest turnout for GPs have been the Legacy ones? If you want prohibitively expense, quit Magic and take up golf as your hobby.

Magic is a cheap hobby and the best thing about it is when you want to quit, you can get most if not all of what you put into it back out. Magic is not an investment, but it is nice to know that it isn't a waste of money either.

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Yes, but just think how much bigger the numbers could be if more people could afford to play. There is necessarily a top-end number of people who can currently (competitively) play in the format. Figure hoarders, set-collectors and non-active people with the key cards for the good decks, and you tighten the ability to enter even more. There is absolutely no logic that can get you from having more cards available to killing the game. That's just plain stupid.

You do realize that the "you can get your money back when you're done" argument isn't even required if the cards aren't so expensive to begin with, right?

As someone who stands to lose a decent chunk of change if the price of competitive cards does drop, I can honestly say this reprint policy change is bad news.

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Let's take Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. Approximately a $200 card. A pretty key component to the 38-Land deck. This prohibitively expensive card, by definition of prohibitively, keeps people from playing this deck for the sole reason of cost. I can guarantee you more people would play this deck if this card was reprinted.

Let's say a reprint of some sort brings the value of Tabernacle down to $50. Now that price has gone down, more people can afford it, and therefore are willing to build this deck. Guess what? Demand for the rest of this deck's components just went up: Exploration, Manabond, Intuition, Gamble, Life from the Loam, and other fringe lands. This causes those other cards to become a lot more valuable. I bet each 4x rare in that deck doubles in value. The over-all value of that deck just went up. Value was created by the reprinting of Tabernacle, not lost.

So the people who were screaming that their collections would devalue are just plain wrong. The smart collector would anticipate what cards would get reprinted and respond accordingly before the reprints are announced. The reprinting of cards from the reserve list would have allowed for more, not less, opportunities to make money.

But since most people are lazy they complained about it instead and kept the reprints from happening. I honestly could care less either way as I have some of the more valuable reserve list cards, and if they announced that future reprints would be happening, you can guarentee I would have been looking for opportunities instead of bitching about it.

But this is all moot as the reprints aren't coming. I doubt Legacy will 'die' as some have been putting it, and I certainly hope that it won't, but saying no to future key reprints definitely doesn't help. My two cents.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
There is absolutely no logic that can get you from having more cards available to killing the game. That's just plain stupid.

As someone who stands to lose a decent chunk of change if the price of competitive cards does drop, I can honestly say this reprint policy change is bad news.

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Except that it has happened before with other games, from Star Wars to YuGiOh. So how is it stupid, when history has proven it true?

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Originally posted by rats60:
Except that it has happened before with other games, from Star Wars to YuGiOh. So how is it stupid, when history has proven it true?

How is it bad news? Do you even understand the change? It only means that they aren't going to be putting foil versions of the reserved cards in boxed sets or printing them as Judge foils. Neither of these adds significantly to the totals available. Even more importantly, neither of these methods lowered the bar of entry. They were never going to reprint duals or other staples in any quantity and this policy goes back 15 years. Your collection was never in danger of losing significant value even before this change.

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Anecdotal evidence is bad. Many games have failed for many reasons, Magic is the only game I'm aware of that has withstood the test of time and still grows in popularity. Even if we do assume that the sole reason for failure was reprinting, weren't these reprints done in mass haphazard fashion, very much unlike what WotC has been doing?

Yes, I fully understand the change. Instead of having an outlet to slowly increase the number of specific cards available to assist with supply and demand, they've cut off that option entirely, and will no longer print cards on the reserved list in any fashion, meaning that what we have now is all we get, period, end of discussion. You can make unintelligent comments all you want about how it doesn't lower the bar for entry, but that doesn't make it true. It's pretty simple, more of a given card in print means more people can own it, thus more people can use them in tournament play. This is the major problem I have, and I am baffled why a certain narrow-minded segment of the community thinks that this is good for the game.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Anecdotal evidence is bad. Many games have failed for many reasons, Magic is the only game I'm aware of that has withstood the test of time and still grows in popularity. Even if we do assume that the sole reason for failure was reprinting, weren't these reprints done in mass haphazard fashion, very much unlike what WotC has been doing?

Yes, I fully understand the change. Instead of having an outlet to slowly increase the number of specific cards available to assist with supply and demand, they've cut off that option entirely, and will no longer print cards on the reserved list in any fashion, meaning that what we have now is all we get, period, end of discussion. You can make unintelligent comments all you want about how it doesn't lower the bar for entry, but that doesn't make it true. It's pretty simple, more of a given card in print means more people can own it, thus more people can use them in tournament play. This is the major problem I have, and I am baffled why a certain narrow-minded segment of the community thinks that this is good for the game.

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You should be ashamed of yourself. Two responses and both times you have resorted to calling me names. Can't you have a discussion without resorting to name calling?