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I'm hoping this will be the place to talk about the Spoiler:

http://mtgsalvation.com/magic-2010-m10-core-set-spoiler.html#3374

for M10.

My thoughts: There's an amazing power-creep of the bad cards. I feel like the good cards aren't getting much better, but the bad cards are catching up to the good ones.

1) What do you guys think of Harm's Way?

2) Do you think the new Savannah Lions (UC) is even good in this format?

3) What do you think of the Exalted Angel variant, Baneslayer Angel?

4) Why do you think Remove Soul got its name changed?

5) Does anybody else feel like they're really redefining the color pie with this set? Each color feels very... stereotypical to me, and I think I like it.

Write your own questions and stuff, too! I'm curious to hear some opinions.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Terminate-er:

1) What do you guys think of Harm's Way?

2) Do you think the new Savannah Lions (UC) is even good in this format?

3) What do you think of the Exalted Angel variant, Baneslayer Angel?

4) Why do you think Remove Soul got its name changed?

5) Does anybody else feel like they're really redefining the color pie with this set? Each color feels very... stereotypical to me, and I think I like it.


Harm's Way is a cheaper, more limited Kor's Chant to me. Ridiculous in limited, and probably not playable in constructed at all. White already has removal in Path to Exile, Oblivion Ring, Unmake, Condemn, and Crib Swap. This is white's equivalent of Shock. It's not awful, but it's not nearly good enough to make the cut.

Elite Vanguard is a Human Soldier. While it may work in a white weenie after Lorwyn block rotates, right now, Kithkin gives you a 2/2 for W and a 1/1 for W that can become a 2/2. This won't get played for that reason alone. Kithkin is the white weenie deck of choice, the others are inferior, so if you play this guy, you're naturally going to be playing a worse deck.

I wouldn't call Baneslayer Angel an Exalted Angel variant; the EA could be played turn 3, turned face up on turn 4, and attack for 4 that turn. This comes into play turn 5, attacks on turn 6; if it survives. The era of big, bad creatures seems to be over for now, especially those that die to Terror, Path to Exile, Maelstrom Pulse, etc. Broodmate is barely playable these days, and only gets the nod because it requires two removal spells to off him. Things may change when Lorwyn rotates out, but for now, it's too slow and too vulnerable. It generates no card advantage and is answered by a single removal spell.

As for Essence Scatter/Remove Soul, I have no idea. Perhaps it's flavor, perhaps its to work with new templating, but it really doesn't matter to me.

Your description of the color pie and stereotypes just means that they're reinforcing, not redefining the color pie. Between the timeshifted block and multicolored block, we've lost track some of just where the boundaries are for what colors can do. I like to see some strict rules in place and it helps newer players to explore each color when they know that each has its own distinct flavor and strengths and weaknesses.

 
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Yes, I suppose reenforcing was more what I meant... I was trying to say they were drawing the lines more clearly (or re-defining the lines, hence my language ambiguity).

For the new savannah lion, do you think it will even be good after kiths rotate?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Terminate-er:
For the new savannah lion, do you think it will even be good after kiths rotate?

I have no clue and I'm not going to speculate right now. The next block could be filled with utility one-drops making it useless. It could be filled with big and slow spells, making faster beatdown strategies viable, or it may be that mid-range rules the format then. I can't say.

Looking at Alara block, however, would seem to hint that although aggro is viable, a 2/1 for W may not be a key player in decks, but rather just something to fill out the curve and give decks something to do on turn 1 rather than play a CIPT land.

 
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If it is true then the Baneslayer angel is pretty broken(at least in limited). 5 mana for a 5/5 flyer is beefy enough. Now its got first strike, lifelink and protection from one of the other fearsome flying family (dragons) is pretty broken imo. Sure there are always removals but for 5 mana it is too powerful - 6/7 maybe.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by shaselai:
If it is true then the Baneslayer angel is pretty broken(at least in limited). 5 mana for a 5/5 flyer is beefy enough. Now its got first strike, lifelink and protection from one of the other fearsome flying family (dragons) is pretty broken imo. Sure there are always removals but for 5 mana it is too powerful - 6/7 maybe.

salvaaaaaaaaaation

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
salvaaaaaaaaaation

? sorry i dont get it...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by shaselai:
If it is true then the Baneslayer angel is pretty broken(at least in limited). 5 mana for a 5/5 flyer is beefy enough. Now its got first strike, lifelink and protection from one of the other fearsome flying family (dragons) is pretty broken imo. Sure there are always removals but for 5 mana it is too powerful - 6/7 maybe.

Yes, but the question remains: Will it blend?

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Harm's Way? Meh.
Baneslayer Angel? Meh. I don't know how I feel about this shift towards Angels, Demons, Dragons, etc with cards like Baneslayer Angel and Undead Slayer. I can see why, but don't know how I particularly like it. Then again, I'm sure it will grow on me given a few more weeks. Makes the set seemed for focused and such.

Soul Warden a common again? BOOYAH

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quote:
Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
salvaaaaaaaaaation

If this sort of rate continues this ought to be an amusing summer. Here, I'll help:

OMG GOLDEN LOTUS IS BORKEN!!!!!!1!! Check out my terrible 5-card combo with it that wins teh game on turn nine!!!

 
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Anyone else want to make a casual Master of the Wild Hunt deck? Wolf tokens? I'm in.
 
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Why does black have lifelink?

I'm hoping they make more zombies, but they'll probably make 3-4 in M10 and they will most likely be bad 3-5 drops. Carnophage would be nice, but that's not going to happen.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cab:
Why does black have lifelink?

I'm hoping they make more zombies, but they'll probably make 3-4 in M10 and they will most likely be bad 3-5 drops. Carnophage would be nice, but that's not going to happen.


Mechanics-wise, see Vampiric Link from Planar Chaos. They decided that lifelink is an ability that they feel comfortable bleeding over from white into black.

Flavor-wise, lifelink in black is a vampiric ability. It represents black's goal of power at any cost. It literally drains an opponent, a creature, or whatever, to gain life, cards, etc. It reflects the ability in vampires to gain sustenance from the lifeblood of their victims, and mimics the countless spells they've already printed that are of the form "deal x damage to target creature or player; gain that much life."

 
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Darksteel Colossus is back
 
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quite a few removals as well. Righteousness back, royal assassin back as well - none of those other useless assassins..Platinum's back too... this set looks really beefy right now.
 
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quote:
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Darksteel Colossus is back

i rofl'd.

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quote:
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i rofl'd.


So did I when I saw that both it and Platinum Angel are both Mythic Rares. What a crock of ****.

 
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Darksteel Colossus plus Master Transmuter? Seriously, imagine a deck with Noble Hierarch, Birds, War Monk, Bant Charm, Elvish Piper, Master Transmuter and fatties. Yikes! "T4, I'll play darksteel colossus. T5, let's magister you to ten and attack."

I just realized this would be better if combat damage stacked. Lol.

 
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Interesting set, but i don't know if i'll need to buy any other then a set of the lands.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Interesting set, but i don't know if i'll need to buy any other then a set of the lands.


yeah... it is the dragons + angels for me

 
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WHat's up with all the little vanilla creatures?? horned turtle, snapping drake AND wind drake, and a 2/1 merfolk plus some minotaurs, =/
 
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WHat's up with all the little vanilla creatures?? horned turtle, snapping drake AND wind drake, and a 2/1 merfolk plus some minotaurs, =/

They have have a balance of vanilla with stuff like darksteel collosus, fabricate, time warp etc.

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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
WHat's up with all the little vanilla creatures?? horned turtle, snapping drake AND wind drake, and a 2/1 merfolk plus some minotaurs, =/

Draft. Horned Turtle, Snapping Drake, and Wind Drake are all nice draft cards. *Yes Horned Turtle... try it . Cheap vanilla and french Vanilla dudes are good for draft. There's stuff like this in every set, usually for this very reason.


I grabbed a playset of commons and uncommons off of ebay about a week ago, and sure am glad I did. Some really nice playables that I can use for multiple decks already. Plus I just got a set of Savannah Lions in the mix. The set looks like it's going to be hella sweet. Now they're adding some fun mythics like Colossus and Platinum Angel. Loving it so far.

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yeah vanilla creatures are good for drafts... Also i think a lot of us got spoiled from recent sets with so many creatures with abilities.
 

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