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Havoc Demon Member	posted July 01, 2009 01:58 PM To shoehorn a new mass removal spell into Zendikar. __________________ Dave's Sports Blog AIM: Wings0298
Liq Member	posted July 01, 2009 04:57 PM quote: Originally posted by Terminate-er: Probably you're not too far off on that guesstimate, but the thing is with this set, there are many more playables you can actually trade "at value" than previous core sets. As I see it there is just as many playables in 11th as 10th. They've just gutted most of the bad rares. __________________ Your Captain N of 2008 Runner up : Marlboro Award 2008 <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right?
daner Member	posted July 02, 2009 12:28 AM quote: Originally posted by Greven53: All in all, I am not impressed. From a few articles I read, M10 was supposed to revolutionary. Agreed. They re-made a lot of the same cards with new names...oh boy! That's not "revolutionary", and if that is what they were going for then they did it in a negative way by killing control when they cut Wrath. Yea, yea, I know control isn't exactly "dead" but you took the all-time staple of control and cut it. You didn't even add in Damnation, WTF? Personally I think this set is trash. The only thing it did was open up the annoying scepter-chant archtype again with the printing of "Slience" in EXT, which was not something I was thrilled about.
iliketrain Member	posted July 02, 2009 03:19 AM cry more, better players will learn to adapt and play..
Terminate-er Banned	posted July 02, 2009 06:36 AM quote: Originally posted by daner: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Greven53: All in all, I am not impressed. From a few articles I read, M10 was supposed to revolutionary. Agreed. They re-made a lot of the same cards with new names...oh boy! That's not "revolutionary", and if that is what they were going for then they did it in a negative way by killing control when they cut Wrath. Yea, yea, I know control isn't exactly "dead" but you took the all-time staple of control and cut it. You didn't even add in Damnation, WTF? Personally I think this set is trash. The only thing it did was open up the annoying scepter-chant archtype again with the printing of "Slience" in EXT, which was not something I was thrilled about. [/QUOTE] There was only one control deck playing wrath anyway (Lark). 5cc would sometimes play a copy or two, but it was hardly vital. Plus hallowed burial is alive and well! I think this format will be just fine without wrath.
Keaner Member	posted July 02, 2009 07:00 AM I'm sad to see Sculpting Steel go.
Brightcab Member	posted July 02, 2009 07:59 AM I miss troll ascetic
Volcanon Member	posted July 02, 2009 09:31 AM You guys realize there is a 5 mana "wrath of god that puts on bottom of deck" in eventide, right? You dont even need to get to six to sweep.
Keaner Member	posted July 02, 2009 09:36 AM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: You guys realize there is a 5 mana "wrath of god that puts on bottom of deck" in eventide, right? You dont even need to get to six to sweep. You do realize that rotates as well? [Edited 1 times, lastly by Keaner on July 02, 2009]
caquaa Member	posted July 02, 2009 10:34 AM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: You guys realize there is a 5 mana "wrath of god that puts on bottom of deck" in eventide, right? You dont even need to get to six to sweep. it rotates. Its also 5 mana. The only real reason it was being played was persist and dauntless escort. Escort is pretty much gone as of the combat changes. Wrath would be much better suited. Persist and burial rotate at the same time and thats why we want wrath. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Havoc Demon Member	posted July 02, 2009 11:12 AM I still feel like they are just setting up a new mass removal spell in Zendikar. M10 seems fine to me. Too bad that Lotus was a fake. __________________ AIM: Wings0298
caquaa Member	posted July 02, 2009 11:27 AM quote: Originally posted by Havoc Demon: I still feel like they are just setting up a new mass removal spell in Zendikar. M10 seems fine to me. Too bad that Lotus was a fake. Its fine assuming we get a 4 mana wrath in zendikar. Odds are we'll see some unplayable 5/6 mana wrath printed. We'll also have a decent gap w/o wrath where we're forced into hallowed burial. Just cant say I like it. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Volcanon Member	posted July 03, 2009 01:32 AM quote: Originally posted by Keaner: You do realize that rotates as well? You realize it's in T2 until October? Other Guy: I'm not arguing the merits of the card, I'm just saying we have an alternative. The white command is also around too.
Keaner Member	posted July 03, 2009 04:54 AM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: You realize it's in T2 until October? Other Guy: I'm not arguing the merits of the card, I'm just saying we have an alternative. The white command is also around too. I do. But rotating now and rotating in 2.5 months isn't much of a difference. They are selling for $5 locally so I'd have to either shell out $20 for a set, or wait a month for cards to get sent to me.
Our_Benefactors Member	posted July 03, 2009 09:29 AM quote: Originally posted by Keaner: I do. But rotating now and rotating in 2.5 months isn't much of a difference. They are selling for $5 locally so I'd have to either shell out $20 for a set, or wait a month for cards to get sent to me. A month? What? I've only had monthlong turnarounds when something goes really wrong...
iccarus Member	posted July 03, 2009 09:44 AM quote: Originally posted by Our_Benefactors: A month? What? I've only had monthlong turnarounds when something goes really wrong... He's in Canada. Slowest postal system in the world.
caquaa Member	posted July 03, 2009 10:30 AM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: You realize it's in T2 until October? Other Guy: I'm not arguing the merits of the card, I'm just saying we have an alternative. The white command is also around too. 5 and 6 mana aren't alternatives. Its like saying Igneous Pouncer is an alternative to ball lightning. The heart of wrath is its speed at 4 mana, and even that has been questioned this last year or so. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Keaner Member	posted July 03, 2009 10:36 AM quote: Originally posted by iccarus: He's in Canada. Slowest postal system in the world. Not only am I in Canada, I'm in St. John's, Newfoundland. Look it up on a map and you'll see why it takes a month lol.
Volcanon Member	posted July 03, 2009 06:42 PM St.Johns is what Vancouver would be if nothing grew here, we had no industry except fishing and tourism, and if the weather was worse than scotland. So of course Canadapost can't even staff "The Rock", so the mail is slow there. In other news, the eventide wrath is the next closest thing to wog and it kills colossus, which is back in 11th. Other than that we have Akroma's noncycling Vengeance in 11th, the white command in lorwyn, and probably something bad I haven't thought of. Wiz has always said they didn't like wrath, so I don't expect to see a 4 mana wrath for the next while (it did styme strategy a bit when the control player could get guarunteed card advantage and overrelied on a sweeper). Just like the rules changes, if you want to play ball the Wizards way, you gotta adapt, basically. Control has been strong for the last good long time, they obviously want it to either change or not be so dominant.
Backin2006 New Member	posted July 03, 2009 07:40 PM I'm disappointed. They're reprinting old cards with new names so people have to buy them again. It just turned a hundred classic cards into worthless cardboard (if you play type II). Way to hose green. No more Treetop Village? Sad... Troll Ascetic goes byebye. Love their little write up of Great Sable Stag as if it's going to balance everything out. I'll sum up 2010 with one word: Neutered.
Our_Benefactors Member	posted July 03, 2009 09:29 PM quote: Originally posted by Backin2006: I'm disappointed. They're reprinting old cards with new names so people have to buy them again. It just turned a hundred classic cards into worthless cardboard (if you play type II). Way to hose green. No more Treetop Village? Sad... Troll Ascetic goes byebye. Love their little write up of Great Sable Stag as if it's going to balance everything out. I'll sum up 2010 with one word: Neutered. As far as the cards that are "functional reprints", they either -Saw no play -Were worthless already -Both Nobody played troll either.
caquaa Member	posted July 03, 2009 10:18 PM quote: Originally posted by Our_Benefactors: As far as the cards that are "functional reprints", they either -Saw no play -Were worthless already -Both Nobody played troll either. Yah, but this set was supposed to be all new and revolutionary and we get orcish artillery taken away and goblin artillery added. Whos bright idea was that? __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Havoc Demon Member	posted July 03, 2009 11:28 PM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Yah, but this set was supposed to be all new and revolutionary and we get orcish artillery taken away and goblin artillery added. Whos bright idea was that? Don't you mean half new and revolutionary? __________________ AIM: Wings0298
caquaa Member	posted July 04, 2009 12:04 AM quote: Originally posted by Havoc Demon: Don't you mean half new and revolutionary? Did we get anything worth while? Nothing really seems all that innovative to me. Rehash the same ole crap. Add rare duals back in to force us to buy packs. Meh. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Havoc Demon Member	posted July 04, 2009 01:34 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Did we get anything worth while? Nothing really seems all that innovative to me. Rehash the same ole crap. Add rare duals back in to force us to buy packs. Meh. It's a Core Set... __________________ AIM: Wings0298

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