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stu55 Member	posted June 28, 2009 04:04 PM quote: Originally posted by JesusChristMD: If these spoilers turn out to be true I will be buying a few boxes of cards. Very nice cards. buying boxes is the nut low
Terminate-er Banned	posted June 28, 2009 05:45 PM quote: Originally posted by stu55: buying boxes is the nut low Winning boxes is much better :P But in all seriousness, buying boxes of this set probably won't be too bad (assuming you draft them!) Jace/Ajani/Garruk are all pretty solid. Silence will probably be money, and of course so will birds. Traumatize and Twincast are okay, so are Haunting Echoes, Liliana, Chandra, Ball Lightning, Goblin Cheiftan, Siege-Gang Commander, Elvish Archdruid, Darksteel Colossus, Coat of Arms, and Pithing Needle. And of course, that doesn't even mention the new duals... I wouldn't personally binge on packs, but this set has the wealth spread a lot further than many sets in the past.
JesusChristMD Member	posted June 28, 2009 11:05 PM that was more my point. I enjoy opening packs, so I would buy a few boxes so me and friends can hold private drafts. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
Keaner Member	posted June 29, 2009 05:29 AM M10 is looking good. Anybody know what the release and prerelease is going to be? What's up with Indestructibility? Seems a bit out of place to me for some reason.
Terminate-er Banned	posted June 29, 2009 09:33 AM quote: Originally posted by JesusChristMD: that was more my point. I enjoy opening packs, so I would buy a few boxes so me and friends can hold private drafts. And on the off chance somebody Day 2's Boston, they'll want to be able to have practice with the new set! Of course, if I never win a GPT... On a side note, what's the biggest crowd you've ever seen for a GPT? There were 49 people at Dream Wizards this past Saturday, and I felt like 4 wins in Swiss should T8 a GPT, though I lost out. I've never seen one with 30, much less a person short of 50 before, and I was wondering if I lead a sheltered life :P
marriedwithchildren Member	posted June 30, 2009 08:06 PM Seriously? Seriously! No! What? Fur Reals? Mold Adder? Mold Adder!! Mold Adder! Yeah, Mold Adder. [Edited 1 times, lastly by marriedwithchildren on June 30, 2009]
mikeyk135 Member	posted June 30, 2009 08:15 PM I just really wish they would bring back the original BoP picture... I really don't like the one from Rav... __________________ ~Duct tape is like the force; it has a dark side, a light side, and it holds the world together.~ BeGone (Banned) ^^ I love irony ^^
Animosity Member	posted June 30, 2009 09:00 PM Im not a fan of this set. I dont like the new lands the card the did bring back are cool but no wrath no good land . Doesnt seem seem like a set that's worthy to be a core set. Not that past core sets were spectacular or anything but this seems worse then they were. The planes walkers are good but I was always hoping those would be a fad. __________________ Why am I seething with this animosity? Sign Up for MMORPG Football My Brute-Plum Smuggler AnimosityMOTL@aol.com [Edited 1 times, lastly by Animosity on June 30, 2009]
Terminate-er Banned	posted June 30, 2009 09:13 PM Worse than a previous core set?!? The Lorwyn planeswalkers practically have more value than 10th edition... oh yeah, and there's the rest of the set. I can totally get some of the complaints of M10 so far, but money seems the least reasonable. Assuming you like the new lands better than pains, that's an upgrade. Assuming wrath is worse than every planeswalker from Lorwyn combined, this set is a complete upgrade, IMO.
marriedwithchildren Member	posted June 30, 2009 09:16 PM Its worth ME even going out to get some packs to draft with friends and we haven't done that since Onslaught/Mirrodin.
CubFan81 Member	posted June 30, 2009 09:32 PM quote: Originally posted by mikeyk135: I just really wish they would bring back the original BoP picture... I really don't like the one from Rav... I'm with you there, though I think this has more to do with money and who owns the artwork. I think the rules were different in the early days and it would either be too expensive to use/license the old artwork from the artists or cheaper to use the newer one. Then again, there's something about my Beta Llanowar Elves that I'm glad there won't be another black border version with Anson's artwork.
mikeyk135 Member	posted June 30, 2009 10:15 PM Yea maybe you're right. If I had a play-set of Beta or Alpha BoP then I'd be all for not using the old artwork. Beta/Alpha BoP are way too expensive for me though... __________________ ~Duct tape is like the force; it has a dark side, a light side, and it holds the world together.~ BeGone (Banned) ^^ I love irony ^^
Tranderas Member	posted June 30, 2009 10:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Terminate-er: Worse than a previous core set?!? The Lorwyn planeswalkers practically have more value than 10th edition... oh yeah, and there's the rest of the set. I can totally get some of the complaints of M10 so far, but money seems the least reasonable. Assuming you like the new lands better than pains, that's an upgrade. Assuming wrath is worse than every planeswalker from Lorwyn combined, this set is a complete upgrade, IMO. Being able to use a painland turn 1 gives it an edge in my book, and I tend toward playing mono-u fish decks or blue fish decks with a green splash in legacy, so planeswalkers are irrelevant to me. I don't play standard. That means that, the merfolk thingey that gives them all +1/+1 aside, this set isn't relevant to me. However, my sis and her boyfriend have been asking me about running a draft. I was going to get Future Sight for the chance at one of us getting a goyf, but I think 11th ed is the better option having seen the cards available. It's not that I wouldn't rather have a goyf, it's that I think there will be more money to be had in a box of 11th.
caquaa Member	posted June 30, 2009 11:01 PM quote: Originally posted by CubFan81: Then again, there's something about my Beta Llanowar Elves that I'm glad there won't be another black border version with Anson's artwork. you're right, I'm glad we're all spared having to look at more of anson's artwork, lol. He thinks fairly highly of himself for his quality of work. Beta elves are cool because they are nostalgic, not because of the artwork. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Animosity Member	posted July 01, 2009 01:12 AM quote: Originally posted by Terminate-er: Worse than a previous core set?!? The Lorwyn planeswalkers practically have more value than 10th edition... oh yeah, and there's the rest of the set. I can totally get some of the complaints of M10 so far, but money seems the least reasonable. Assuming you like the new lands better than pains, that's an upgrade. Assuming wrath is worse than every planeswalker from Lorwyn combined, this set is a complete upgrade, IMO. Im looking from a playability stand point not a monetary one. This set will have alot of cash value in the beginning. I just dont think I will ever like playing t2 with this pool of cards. Shards and M10 are a disappointment in my eyes. Im just getting a little wore out on the whole planeswalker thing and the multicolor thing . The new lands are meh IMHO . I would rather have sac lands ,filter lands or Rav block karoo lands. Rant/ Am I the only person tired of planeswalkers? What ever happened to combo? Wheres the guy that thought force of will was a good card to be uncommon? Who thought it was a good Idea to make Hellkite a mythic? End Rant/ Looks like its time to play burn . -Animosity __________________ Why am I seething with this animosity? Sign Up for MMORPG Football My Brute-Plum Smuggler AnimosityMOTL@aol.com
Terminate-er Banned	posted July 01, 2009 07:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Tranderas: Being able to use a painland turn 1 gives it an edge in my book, and I... don't play standard. This explains a lot. You need to remember that the point of over 90% of cards designed is for formats with about the same speed as standard. If you're playing legacy fish, of course you hate these lands. You're not supposed to like them. If you're going up against M10 in playability, you're going to need to wait until the meta adjusts... I suspect with a largely 2-color deck meta, the M10 lands will be better than the pains. Clearly, there have been many other lands better printed in the past, but I feel like these will, under most circumstances, be better than painlands in standard, and planeswalkers are totally playable... I don't know what makes you think they aren't. Well, 3/5 of them are, and Liliana is great in EDH and stuff. Swans is a semi-viable combo deck. It's not great by any stretch, but it's playable.
JoshSherman Member	posted July 01, 2009 08:55 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Beta elves are cool because they are nostalgic, not because of the artwork. A lot of more modern artwork has lost the quality that made the original set awesome. Part of that is the clarity of the printing process, granted. I've tried to put my finger on the rest of it for a long time, but can't seem to... maybe it's simplicity. A lot of cards have a lot more going on than they need to. I was fine with the original Benalish Hero. The original Shivan Dragon is great. Detail is great, but it's not everything. Did that make sense? __________________ MafiaBassJoshweekLetter Bombs!PricesGathererLogout*No More Rickrolls! “Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." -Ayn Rand
Tranderas Member	posted July 01, 2009 09:58 AM quote: Originally posted by Terminate-er: This explains a lot. You need to remember that the point of over 90% of cards designed is for formats with about the same speed as standard. If you're playing legacy fish, of course you hate these lands. You're not supposed to like them. If you're going up against M10 in playability, you're going to need to wait until the meta adjusts... I suspect with a largely 2-color deck meta, the M10 lands will be better than the pains. Clearly, there have been many other lands better printed in the past, but I feel like these will, under most circumstances, be better than painlands in standard, and planeswalkers are totally playable... I don't know what makes you think they aren't. Well, 3/5 of them are, and Liliana is great in EDH and stuff. Swans is a semi-viable combo deck. It's not great by any stretch, but it's playable. I didn't say planeswalkers aren't playable, I said that because i play mono-u or u/g fish in legacy I don't care about them. It's about personal choice. If Garruk wasn't a $14 card I would put him in one of my casual decks. As for the new lands, I do hope they're good in Standard. I'll be playing Temple Gardens and Brushlands in the extended build of my w/g instead of these lands, though.
Liq Member	posted July 01, 2009 10:05 AM quote: Originally posted by Terminate-er: Worse than a previous core set?!? The Lorwyn planeswalkers practically have more value than 10th edition... oh yeah, and there's the rest of the set. You seem to be underestimating the value of 10th edition. IMO this set is going to be worth about 20% more than 10th edition. __________________ Your Captain N of 2008 Runner up : Marlboro Award 2008 <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right?
Ml490 Banned	posted July 01, 2009 10:27 AM I can';t wait to draft this set.
Myy Member	posted July 01, 2009 10:58 AM It seems a friend of Mine wants to go To Monterrey, a city in Mexico to draft. I'm trying to avoid going to the pre-release there cuz all the cards are in spanish.. =/
Terminate-er Banned	posted July 01, 2009 11:13 AM quote: Originally posted by Liq: You seem to be underestimating the value of 10th edition. IMO this set is going to be worth about 20% more than 10th edition. It's called an exaggeration :\ Probably you're not too far off on that guesstimate, but the thing is with this set, there are many more playables you can actually trade "at value" than previous core sets.
Greven53 Member	posted July 01, 2009 12:14 PM Interesting to see cards like lightning bolt, hyppie, time warp, regrowth, mind twist, fork, royal assassin, etc come back. I am not sure if they have been in earlier editions, but it reminds me of the twenty times they tried to recreate Ernie before giving up and just bringing him back. All in all, I am not impressed. From a few articles I read, M10 was supposed to revolutionary. __________________ 5 out of 3 scientists agree: Greven53 is cooler than Jesus.
Montague Member	posted July 01, 2009 12:17 PM Regrowth and Mind Twist havent came back. I like the mock versions of them, but the originals were more powerful.
caquaa Member	posted July 01, 2009 01:19 PM Now the full spoiler is out, yah I'm fairly disappointed. WE have no sweeper effects. Currently we can rely on ones that sorta do the job, fallout, infest, firespout, and hallowed burial. The better of the two are rotating so the next block better have something incredible for mass removal, hopefully at the 3-4 drop so its playable. So why is my wrath gone? __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com Buying MM counterspells for my counterspell collection. Click me! If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.

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